Might is not Right

Bartolome De Las Casas sailed to the “New World” in 1502 and recorded many of the things he saw in his book, “The Devastation of the Indies”: Quote – “With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose, hands and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it … Likewise, I saw how they summoned the caciques and the chief rulers to come, assuring them safety, and when they peacefully came, they were taken captive and burned … (The Spaniards) took babies from their mothers’ breasts, grabbing them by the feet and smashing their heads against rocks … They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles …

Then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive … When the Spaniards had collected a great deal of gold from the Indians, they shut them up in three big houses, crowding in as many as they could, then set fire to the houses, burning alive all that were in them, yet those Indians had given no cause nor made any resistance …They would cut off an Indian’s hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin … they would test their swords and their manly strength on captured Indians and place bets on the slicing off of heads or cutting of bodies in half with one blow.”

On every island Columbus ‘discovered’ he planted a cross, claiming ownership for his Spanish Catholic patrons.

I do think the spaniards were doing there religious duty here according to Ezekiel. “When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.”

‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬

Author: jim-

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104 thoughts on “Might is not Right”

    1. This is unimaginable. They had a superior complex because religion set them above others. In the end nothing has changed as of now. They just want god to hurry up and come back and do their dirty work for them. Praying and pleading to god to return and them atheists and heathens will all be destroyed by their good god. It’s in their core. It’s racist and divisive.

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  1. Ahhhh yes, what a fun comment section! No deconvert can have a blog without the jeebus lovers having their say.

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  2. The nature of humans is both moral and immoral. As a by-product of a fundamentally non-rational process (evolution) why would we prefer one over the other? Are we above the randomness of evolution? A blind process without purpose aim or reason is to prefer something for a reason. In nature immoral leads to survival just as much as moral. A lion that conquers a new harem kills all the cubs because the previous alpha lion is the father of them. The new alpha male can then spread his genes instead. Through history men with power and wealth have spread their genes more.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/#.WmFhGjDyjVM

    Spreading our genes is THE measure of success in evolution.

    “The ability to empathize with others is still a very important aspect of our cognitive development. One reason is because we still greatly depend on healthy relationships with others in order to live happy and successful lives.”

    One of the things regarded most successful in human eyes is being very rich. It is not regarded as immoral to live like king and queens and having more money and stuff that you will ever need. Yet, it is like having the poison and the remedy. You are rich because you have already taken from the poor and have “slaves”. Then, you give to charity. If you do not believe me, then watch True cost for instance. The so-called success of the world does not bring much happiness to the rich people either.

    «Researchers have theorized that wealth makes us less generous because it makes us more isolated – and isolation also has a deleterious effect on happiness. Wealth is isolating for both psychological and physical reasons. Psychologically, the acquisition of wealth—and more generally, possessions that signal high status—makes us want to distance ourselves from others. This may be due to a feeling of competition and selfishness that sets in with the acquisition of wealth or status. It may also be because, quite simply, we don’t need other people to survive the way we did when we were poorer.»

    https://hbr.org/2016/06/why-rich-people-arent-as-happy-as-they-could-be

    Yes, you find moral and democracy in nature. You even find the golden rule according to Darwin. The question is why is there both moral and immoral? Evolution came up with both. With the blind-watchmaker as the father, observing humans are to look at moral with favor? With survival of the fittest we are to choose law and order why? After all, is it not just in essence adapt or die.

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    1. Excellent response to today’s crazy. Both scenarios employ the possibilities of truth, and just one will be accepted based on your leanings. You pose great questions and reasonable in your approach. I think we’re going to think in this one a while. I never gave JB an answer as he would not meet me half way, but empathy and moral virtue is a natural product of us. How it got there we can only speculate. Bravo Isabella! Great points.

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            1. You’d have to read all the comments. He’s a guy that trolls our blogs and poses questions that don’t fit the dialog, and never will answer a direst question. I let him in today. Then he and Ark got into it and it went in a while.

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  3. After following the comments a bit and the question of why shouldn’t x-ian kill natives came up, then the where oh where would morality come from, came up (with the hidden agenda it was god) I had one word pop into my head. Well two. Well three.

    Empathy. Altruism, and evolution.

    http://www.theemotionmachine.com/empathy-and-evolution/

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-wise-brain/201003/how-did-humans-become-empathic

    No. We need no gods for morality. There are much better explanations.

    And for those who find empathy/morality strictly limited to humans:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12117501/Animals-more-capable-of-empathy-than-previously-thought-study-finds.html

    https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/the_evolution_of_empathy

    Again, no gods needed or required.

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  4. Such nice people x-ians.

    Wonder what makes them ignore/deny/feign ignorance of/find justification for, their wonderful bloody history? I bet you right now they would absolutely love to get right back to the old ways of absolute power. They would have no qualms about it as long as it is done for jeebus!

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  5. It’s utterly amazing mankind has survived so long and this should be proof to anyone that there is absolutely no,even remotely, loving or just god. And this is just one example of the untold cruelty of man towards his fellow man. It’s happened through the ages and will continue and is continuing as we speak. No honest sane person with knowledge of all this history, even if brief, could be a believer. They will say “but this is man or the devil not our loving all powerful god”. But it would be their god that didn’t stop it and this was his creation in his image (well that I can believe!) give me a break! Absurdity at its highest!

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    1. I had a guy argue that this wasn’t done for Jesus. Maybe even sadder is the religious did it for sport. For fun. They met no resistance. Sickening

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  6. I read you dialogue with Bryan over at a bit of Orange.
    The guy is the very definition of disingenuous Dickhead. A YEC who would gleefully brainwash kids and adults alike and hand-wave away what you have written – as they all tend to do in one form or another.
    Revolting people.

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        1. Yes. He approves only the ones that fin his cut and paste answers. The last two were never approved. He said I was believing revisionist history. I was quoting a source that was there. That’s all!

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            1. He might if you worded it soft and lite. I’m done with him. He just keeps throwing shit out in mass. Can’t keep up with crazy

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            2. As we know practically all of the history of the Pentateuch it simply boggles my mind how adults like this bloke can consider it the literal word of god, and that the earth is no more than 10k years old.
              What does it take to maintain such a degree of self delusion?

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            3. Faith. It’s a problem many people have when they only study one side from one source too long. Their vision is cockeyed!!

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            4. I think YEC is a different kettle of fish.
              Believing in old earth and guided creation, okay. Still silly, but it does not reject evolution as far as I know.

              How on earth do people like this explain the giant sloth or the massive amounts of mammoth and mastodon bones in Colorado, for example?
              Or the platypus!

              And I am not merely thinking of children but adult converts!

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            5. I don’t know but it takes a preacher to make it happen. I took my seven year old up in the canyons and mentioned some people believe all this was created in 6 days. She looked at me crazy eyed with both eyebrows raised. Apologetics is the great evil. Even kids can see through the crap until too much indoctrination.

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            6. One of the video he has on his site is of a professor rubbishing evolution. The hall is or classroom is adorned with crosses and other Christian paraphernalia. I then found this professor’s testimony.
              he cnverted as an adult and claimed he was saved …. ”…. saved from evolution”.
              Mind blowing!

              I am sure there must be other factors involved . I have yet to encounter an adult convert who did not have some ”history” to their conversion.
              It is just simply too weird for me.
              But then, if one considers Scientology …
              And look at your ”mate” John Branyan on this very page. Hmm …

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            7. My mate! Ay matey! Lol. I thought I’d let him in for a while. As long as he doesn’t start in on his NASA hoax coverup flat earth crap. Ain’t nobody got time for that!

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            8. Oh, I do not think JB is that far gone.
              He is not even a YEC as far as I am aware. But why he tolerates those headcases better is also a mystery. Probably because they, like him, believe corpses come back to life and are able to guarantee eternal life and freedom from booze, drug and porn addiction.
              You’d have to have JB confirm this, of course.

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    1. I think something vital is missing in their brain…seriously like some area of cognitive ability or genetic neurobiology that they simply do not have the ability to think critically with reason… much like a cow thinking about what their purpose is (food for us) or believing the the farmer dropping off hay is a god before he takes them to the slaughter house. Or…these folks are just plain mean and hateful people who get their jollies from antagonizing and feeling superior

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  7. “You shall not render an unjust judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great: with justice you shall judge your neighbor. You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not profit by the blood of your neighbor: I am the Lord.
    You shall not hate in your heart anyone of your kin; you shall reprove your neighbor, or you will incur guilt yourself. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”
    – Leviticus 19:18

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    1. Yes. That was all well and good if you were one of THEM. But that was a law written for the israelites within the borders. Lev 15 makes that clear. Nice try though

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      1. Sorry. I thought we were just using OT.

        “Therefore the law was our disciplinarian until Christ came, so that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer subject to a disciplinarian, for in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith. As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. ” Galatians 3:28

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            1. No. Just one of many scriptures to validate barbarism for Christ. There’s a book full of them. It’s called the Bible.

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            2. No but the faithful can use those scriptures to justify bad behavior. Just as “spare the rod spoil the child” is a false premise, but used by Christians everywhere to beat their children. They have justification. You already know this stuff. Faith and the need for validation run strong on your side. You won’t find anything here to satisfy you John.

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            3. Actually, I would find immense satisfaction if you could answer a question that has confounded atheists for centuries.

              Why should I believe you when you say, “Might is not Right”?

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            4. Basic morals. Christians lack common decency towards living things. Very simple for an age old question.

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        1. Even Jesus taught that others than his followers already had what Christians lack. The Good Samaritan ring a bell? An unbeliever does this naturally. Believers seem to need a code to live by but even then, they find a way to justify cruelty.

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          1. The story of the Good Samaritan is one of those scriptures the faithful can use to justify good behavior.

            Unbelievers just do good things naturally. Unbelievers never find ways to justify cruelty.

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            1. Pretty true. Why do you think there are such few atheists in US prisons? About .1%. Think in that.

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    2. “Basic morality.”
      It’s as simple as that.

      I agree. It is that simple. And do you consider this basic morality to be part of the Creation Package your god bestowed upon human beings?

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        1. yes, but I am interested in your view as you seem to be dead set against Jim’s view.
          Do you reckon morality (in whatever form you adhere to) was part of the Creation package ?

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          1. You can see the demeanor of the natives in the article. No Jesus and no fight. The religious slew them for sport. If a tribal ancient lives their life better than an educated Christian, maybe it’s worth looking in to JB

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            1. There are no straight answers in apologetics. It requires a fact of some sort that can be verified by another party. They don’t exist.

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          2. I don’t see where I’ve said I’m “dead set against Jim’s view”.
            I’ve got no idea where “basic morality” comes from. I guess it’s just a brute fact.

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            1. I’ll give you an easy explanation in a bit. I have to drive but it’s really quite simple.

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            2. I wasn’t aware that evolutionary theory says anything about basic morality. Please explain how evolution demonstrates slaughtering natives is wrong.

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            3. JB if you could think it through and tell me how it could fit in, and when I’m done with meeting let’s see if we can work it through with logic. All I’m asking is that one time you really look at this from our viewpoint and see if there is any way it could make sense. It is really quite basic if you think it through. I’ll add mine in a couple hours.

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            4. It doesn’t seem “quite basic” at all.
              Evolutionary theory says nothing about morality.
              Nada.
              Remember, Ark is asking the question about where “basic morality” comes from. Not me.

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            5. And a small point to ponder. I have never told any of my kids not to kill anyone. Yet they never have even thought about it. How is that possible?

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            6. Excellent point!
              Here’s one for you to ponder.
              Many children have grown up to become killers despite being told that it’s wrong. How is that possible?

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            7. I am sure there are a great many things about evolution you are unaware of, JB, certainly you seem to deny evolution, or at least champion creation via your god.

              Evolution doesn’t explain how slaughtering Natives is wrong, however, christian morality has always found an excuse for it and history is replete with examples of Christians doing just that.
              You live in a country that experienced one of the largest genocides in human history …. carried out in the main by Christians.
              Christians just like you, JB but with a little less restraint and a different interpretation of the bible.

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            8. “Evolution doesn’t explain how slaughtering Natives is wrong…”
              Well then, how can “basic morality” be part of the Evolution package?

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            9. Ah, good. Now we are getting to the nitty- gritty.
              If you believe basic morality did NOT come via evolution then where do you think morality – basic or otherwise came from?

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            10. So, JB, do you consider morality was somehow built-in to humans through creation via your god?
              Easy question. Easy answer. Yes or No?

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            11. According to you, “my god” is purely a work of fiction. Morality can’t come from fiction! It must have come from somewhere else. That’s what you’re supposed to be explaining…

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            12. Well, yes, I know Yahweh is a work of geopolitical fiction, and so does every one who has critically studied the bible, but the question is what do you believe ?
              This is what we are trying to determine.

              Once we have established where you honestly believe morality came from we can then take it from there.
              As to your Slaughtering Natives question:
              Remember, those doing the slaughtering were Christians, JB. This is a very important point to consider.
              Right, morality. Built into humans via your god, yes or no?

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            13. Morality IS part of the evolution package. But it doesn’t ”say” anything about slaughtering natives. And remember, the natives in question were slaughtered by Christians.
              You are misreading the comments John. read them very carefully.
              So. morality. Do you believe it came as built in via creation through your god. Yes or No.

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            14. “Morality IS part of the evolution package. But it doesn’t ”say” anything about slaughtering natives. And remember, the natives in question were slaughtered by Christians.”
              LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

              No! Morality is not built in via creation through a fictional god. That would be absurd!

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            15. So you have no idea where humans derive their morality?
              So you believe it is acceptable that Christians – that’s you – kill natives
              Am I understanding you correctly, JB?

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            16. No, Douglas, you are not understanding me.
              I didn’t say it’s acceptable for Christians to kill natives.

              I asked where YOU get the idea that it is unacceptable for Christians to kill natives.

              If you refuse to answer the question I’m done talking to you.

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            17. That is a fact!

              That is a command in the Bible which is purely geopolitical fiction. LOL! The God of the Bible is a capricious, maniacal tyrant. The morals of the Bible are a joke.

              Since you still don’t understand that you’re at a dead end, I’ll ask one last time…Where do you get the idea that Christians shouldn’t kill natives?

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            18. The answer is easy John. The same reason the natives weren’t killing each other. The same reason non contacted tribes are alive and well. Think it through. You can do it

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            19. That doesn’t answer the question, Jim.

              Evolution requires the strongest survive. There’s no evolutionary reason the Spaniards shouldn’t overpower the weaker, less evolved natives.

              So, how can you say that might is not right?

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            20. No, John, the dead end is where you are stuck. As are all those who genuflect to any sort of make believe deity.
              And evolution is all about not ending up in a dead end. Why do you think you are unable to understand this John?

              And the question you really, really need to ask is this: What on earth gave Christians the idea that they had the god-given right to kill natives?
              After all, it was in the name of your god that such slaughter took place …. remember?

              Think about it.

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            21. “What on earth gave Christians the idea that they had the god-given right to kill natives?”
              Yes. That is precisely the question!
              I’ve asked it dozens of times.
              That’s where you’re stuck.

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    3. “What on earth gave Christians the idea that they had the god-given right to kill natives?”
      Yes. That is precisely the question!
      I’ve asked it dozens of times.
      That’s where you’re stuck.

      Lol.. no, John. Not stuck at all.
      They consider they were justified because of your god – they were acting in the name of your god. As so many religious people do, even in this day and age.

      If you have no idea where morality comes from then why do you believe Christians Slaughtered Natives?
      And we can include any non-christian or even any Christian that didn’t measure up to the particular ”Faith of the Day”.

      It is worth noting that in Days of Yore it is very likely you would have been burned at the stake by your fellow Christians simply because you are were not considered to be a genuine Christian.
      It fact, it is hilarious that even today you are not considered to be a genuine Christian, either!

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        1. Well, at least you were able to fuel your need for attention and demonstrate once again why you are not only ignorant, disingenuous but also a moral coward!
          How’s you dad, by the way?

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            1. Amanda gave the impression that your father had come out of the coma?
              Perhaps I misunderstood? After all you two do have a very singular brand of warmth, charm and all round bonhomie that would make James Aloysius Johnston seem like the life and soul of the party.

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