Islam, Moses, and Myth

So much of Judaism and Islam hinge on the story of Moses, and in Islam, Moses is mentioned more than any other prophet. Recent run-ins with Muslim proselytizers on WP have forced me to take a little look at the history and the doctrine of the Muslim faith. I have stuck to positive web sites and the Quran. Here’s a small bit of what I know.

Muslims hold Moses in very high regard. They have many stories of Moses’ life outside of the Old Testament and in the Quran he is mentioned a mere 115 times. I realize these stories are translations, but in general they read like Aesop’s Fables. Here is one;

According to Isra’iliyat hadith, during his childhood when Moses was playing on Pharaoh’s lap. He grabbed the Pharaoh’s beard, and also slapped him in his face. This action prompted the Pharaoh, to consider Moses as the Israelite who would overthrow him. In turn the Pharaoh wanted to kill Moses. The Pharaoh’s wife persuaded him not to, because he was an infant. Instead he decided to test Moses. Two plates were set before young Moses, one contained rubies and the other held glowing coals. Moses reached out for the rubies, but the angel Gabriel directed his hand to the coals. Moses grabbed a glowing coal and put it in his mouth, burning his tongue. After the incident Moses suffered from a speech defect, but was spared by the Pharaoh. (1)Go to historical narrative-

With so much riding on the story of Moses, I don’t think they got the memo that there is zero evidence that one word of it is true. They also teach the exodus (which didn’t happen) and the splitting of the sea. But from what they tell me, the Quran is infallible and ahead of its time. Here is a rebuttal persuasion from a Muslim on Mel’s site.

This is proof Muhammad was a prophet; 1- Creation of the universe: “Do the disbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then I split them apart?” (Quran 21:30) (is this allegorical, physical, or humanity?)

2- Mountains: “have we not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes” (Quran 78:6-7) (pure ambiguous evidence)

3- Aquatic origin: “And I created every living thing out of water” (Quran 21:30) (we are mostly water. Is this prophetic?)

Evidently number 1 is the Big Bang, 2 is geologic formation presented ahead of scientific knowledge of such things, and 3 is evolution. All based on the vision of a sheepherder according to the caller. But I suspect he was duped into believing the revelation about Moses and revelation didn’t cue him in that the story would be debunked. Also, as a casual observation it appears much of The Ten Commandments movie script is borrowed from the Quran more than the Bible.

One last note; The Quran is supposed to be read with the help of commentary and experts—sound familiar? It requires a lot of explaining.

Archeological studies have shifted from where and if, to when it happened. And the size and scope might just be a tad off. The best and closest event may be that Moses was an Egyptian priest that led a leper colony out of Egypt during the time of Akhenaten.

Why Islam? Is an Islamic site with Moses stories from the Quran if your curious.

Author: jim-

One minute info blogs breaking the faith trap.

36 thoughts on “Islam, Moses, and Myth”

  1. It seems to go two directions with those who wonder in awe at natural events or formations: attribute it to some higher entity or actually seek the cause. It’s much more meaningful to go the science route than the religious route I’d say.

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    1. Your comment really ties in to today’s post. That you say more meaningful to go the science route than the religious route” Isn’t that the truth? One can never know though until they give the explanations a fair shake, instead of the the muddy waters from the pulpits.

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      1. Since I was raised Pentecostal then Baptist and then atheist to science based agnostic I feel I can fairly judge each worldview and a scientific one really does keep me feeling like I’m on a meaningful quest.

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  2. Nice coverage, Jim… and leading to a straightforward conclusion: Both Christianity and Islam in all forms, in their reverence for the mythical Abraham are sects of Judaism. The irony is beyond the reach of the most superlative superlatives… and would incite raucous laughter if the resulting division and strife were not so damned serious and consequential for all of us.

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  3. Those Qur’ân passages which supposedly reflect actual science are so vague they could be interpreted as practically anything. They’re as meaningless as the similar Bible passages that supposedly fit real science. There’s no way anyone could have taken those passages as a starting point and deduced the big bang, modern geology, and evolution purely from them.

    Science discovers things and religion limps feebly in its wake, saying “look, look, we’ve got something which is sort of vaguely like that”.

    Before Muhammad got into the religion biz, he was a caravan master on the trade route between Mecca and Syria. At that time Syria was a Christian country and spoke Aramaic, which is closely related to Arabic. Contrary to the official Islamic claim that Muhammad was illiterate (probably based on a misinterpretation of the word ummî which has changed in meaning over time), given his position, he was probably literate in both Arabic and Aramaic. Very likely, during one of his trips to Syria, he saw a Bible in Aramaic and read some of it. Then years later, when he was “revealing” the Qur’ân, he filled it with stories from memory which he had read long ago in a language which was not his native language. That’s why the Qur’ân is full of what are basically Bible stories but with many differences in detail. The two books aren’t independent versions of events (most of which never happened, as you point out) — one was simply copied from the other, under far-from-ideal conditions.

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    1. I like that “There’s no way anyone could have taken those passages as a starting point and deduced the big bang, modern geology, and evolution purely from them”. I’m in the middle of a math piece and they’re doing the same thing. Since math is truth and 7+5=12, it is proof that math is from god because it’s never changing. But in the other hand they hate math because it is at odds with faith. Every time a scripture hints at a scientific principle it’s “see, see, god already knew that!” It’s great points Infidel. If we start with the assumption the scripture is true, it leads us nowhere.

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      1. Are you familiar with the Mathematical Probability?
        do what stephen hawking did (RIP), see what answer you get.

        “From a clot of blood God created you in 3 fold darkness”… is that not proof enough? “he set for you a latern for night” (the moon)

        no? then go and calculate it. It will take some time….you got to go right back to the beginning. ..remember …the elements in the universe are many, but finite.

        god bless

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  4. Interesting Jim that you are venturing into the (metaphorical) lands of Islam. Good for you Sir!!! 🙂 Once I did my extensive multiple-years of study and scrutiny of Judaism, the OT, Christianity, and the NT — the polluted upstream waters of Islam — I’ve never had any serious desire to dissect the Quran and Islam. From what I’ve deduced from all Muslims I’ve ever known, most from/in my lifetime career of soccer/futebol around the world, it too is HEAVY on pious routines, and too many abstentions of too many “worldly joys and pleasures.” (finger down mouth, gag) That would NEVER work for me when there is absolutely NO GUARANTEE of their version of the afterlife! Hahahahaha!

    Plus, when I did my research for my Sept. 2013 blog-post The “Holy” Rivers,

    https://professortaboo.com/2013/09/22/the-holy-rivers/

    I had no desire at all to go any further into Islam, for the simple fact of how they treat women and the LGBTQ community. Done. No need whatsoever.

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    1. Agreed. I did read your Holy Rivers post and it’s a must read if one hasn’t. Of Islam I am pretty ignorant of the culture and organization of the religion, but red flags surfaced and waved very quickly. The Moses stories reminded me a bit of the old Jesus as a child tales. Harlequin ghost writers could do a better script!Good to see you sir.

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      1. Yes, I do remember you reading/commenting. Thank you!

        I’ve been quite busy lately and my other Dark blog, that “Alternative” one is seeing much neglect, sadly, and I’m getting a mouthful about it from some of its Followers. LOL

        And finally one firm Christian faither-apologist has engaged me on my new Page Why Christianity Will Always Fail. BUT… he refuses to come engage on my Page, I think primarily because of you, John Z, Steve Ruis, tildeb, Ark, etc. Hahahaha. I can’t take you guys ANYWHERE respectible can I? 😉 😛

        So he and I are getting heavy into it over on his About page on his blog. Ugh. :/

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      2. your ignorant of the culture? and organization of “religion”.
        If you are ignorant of something, you should seek knowledge and truth.
        Ironic you speak of this moses….the whole story of moses is that he sent to pharaoh clear proofs, in his face, but he still dismissed them. so he was warned. he dismissed him. and again …and again.

        Shall i provide you a clear proof of this?

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        1. I spent enough time (50 years)in religion to know it doesn’t add up to any truth. Everything is the exact opposite of what you all say and all sugar coated and covered with excuses for a non existent god. I have read as much as I care to about Islam and Christianity. It doesn’t take much to see they are two sides of the same coin, although Islam is more like Mormonism with a temper. So, no thanks but glad you came by. All are welcome to comment.

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        2. Many times when I have sent documents that have been denied but there’s always someone who says they never saw them even when I show them evidence. As is the case here, pure ignorance mixed with arrogance.

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          1. Which specifically are you referring to? I admit myself and much of western culture knows very little about the inner workings of Islam. I am open to learning but seems all you have is blanket statements calling ignorance and offering nothing. Closed systems that claim ultimate truth are rarely open and free to learn or even dialog in many Muslim countries. I am a part of no system of prescribed learning, but I do know without question that faith overlooks huge fallacies at every turn. Funny thing about the Moses story, everyone clings to it, but there is not even a shed of evidence for 2 million people that supposedly resided 40 years. Kadesh Barnea has not even a pottery shard. The Jews are embarrassed about this and most have abandoned the stories as fables. I am not ignorant of these things, but a little evidence has never crossed my way. It all requires hairsplitting excuses through faith. You have nothing but hunches and stories.

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            1. “You have nothing but hunches and stories.” “You have no evidence that the world isn’t flat.” “Blank statements offering nothing.” “Closed systems.” You keep answering your own questions and I cannot help you.

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            2. Actually I have seen the curvature of the earth flying on the Concorde, and so have many other living people. The SR71 flies at 89000 feet and can also see the curvature so yes, you are wrong my friend. I know the earth isn’t flat. And I also know religion is an empty bill of goods that NEVER adds up to what is preached. Always look to the obvious to see it is the opposite of what abrahamic religion preached. Would you like some examples? God is love- Ha! Where? This entire planet is at the precipice of misery, with the most religious areas leading the way. God is merciful! Ha! As long as you do what he says, after that its misery and genocide. Every single point preached is the exact opposite of reality.

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            3. Absolutely! And mine (and I would guess Jim’s as well) is “perceiving” the world as it truly is — not as we wish it to be.

              I cannot help you. That’s all right. We really don’t need any.

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            4. That’s great that you don’t need anyone else at all in your life. Are you sure that you are seeing the world as it is? The road to faith requires a lot more than just that.

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            5. Perhaps, Jiyabreeze, the question should be directed back towards you … ” Are you sure that you are seeing the world as it is? ”

              We each have our perspective of life and the world around us. Mine happens to be minus any kind of supernatural entity. And I’m totally comfortable with that.

              Just as an added note — I left the “faith” route many years ago and have not regretted it for one single micro-second.

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            6. Is that why you are here justifying your choice? If I chose my faith that is a personal matter. You leaving it is also a personal matter.

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            7. I don’t see where I’m justifying anything. Just stating my personal outlook as compared to yours. 🙂 Have a nice.

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      1. Hehe. It’s actually a common assessment, given his behaviours. Google it.

        But I’m with you: Christianity and Islam rest on the Pentateuch being true. Given it’s not, Jesus and Mo didn’t know basic regional history, which is not really godly, is it.

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          1. Never heard that before. Certainly plausible. To me, the story (and character) is a collage of many stories, like Moses birth as taken from the Babylonian tale of King Sargon of Agade. It predates the Pentateuch by 1,000 years, and begins:

            “My humble mother bore me secretly. She put me in a basket of rushes and sealed me in with asphalt. Then she put me into the river…. The river held me up, and carried me to Akki, the irrigator who drew water from the river for the people. As he dipped his jug into the river, Akki carried me out. He raised me as his own son.”

            Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

            It’s a shame in some ways that the root of the tale is now missed as people debate its non-existent historical accuracy. The actual story of freedom and nationhood (even though fictional) is pretty cool.

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