Don’t Blame God For Christian Atrocities

How unchecked religion develops a natural love affair with torture

The pastor Mel has repeatedly stated that we can’t blame god for the atrocities of his followers. Sometimes it takes me a while to develop completeness in my case that virtually every iota of real Christianity produces the opposite of what is preached. No, I can’t blame god because I don’t believe there is one, but it is 100% accurate when we remember the terrible consequences that arose logically out of Christian faith. Burning witches is just a popular, but tiny blip on the radar of the barbarism that naturally arose through faith in jesus.

Karen King puts it, “there are “torturous narratives at Christianity’s foundations.” Fascination with torture has been a part of the religion since the beginning and the practice thereof has permeated Christian history. Quite possibly it’s just a part of human nature that arises naturally in certain circumstances, and has only recently been suppressed in our civilization. But whatever the reason, torture has always been in the DNA of Christianity. You can’t talk about Christianity without talking about it’s long and romantic relationship with torture”.

Physical torture has decreased in the past 200 years, not because of higher religiosity, but because of less of it. When they have run of the schoolyard, as they continue to assert themselves politically, we are on a path to brutal Muslimism. Our safety depends on a secular government. Brutality arises naturally from unchecked Abrahamic religions. It is not about love in any way whatsoever. It is about force and control. Unchecked religion historically has created a torture class of priestly terror, rape, murder, plunder, false accusations, neighbor on neighbor and misery. Not just a few mind you, but widespread because of the religion. That is the religion I will not form an alliance with. It is the DNA of faith that turns men into monsters. We don’t have a people problem, we have a religion problem. It is its own mark of the beast. It has warned us about itself.

Author: jimoeba

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76 thoughts on “Don’t Blame God For Christian Atrocities”

  2. Ya know what’s funny?
    I know it makes me smirk and short.
    Christians dislike Jews for that cross thing yet have a fetish for Israel and worship their bible, Muslims could care less what anyone thinks and are willing to kill anyone including themselves to keep it that way and Jews, the germ to crazytown if you will, can’t agree on anything related to their religious texts and are struggling to maintain a relevancy to themselves.

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  3. ”Atrocities”

    In the world of Pastor Mel and his ilk, evil is not only considered real, but they, along with their Muslim counterparts, are at the forefront of promoting it.
    Blood sacrifice, demons, threatening children, are all part of the bedrock of their vile worldview.

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        1. I know. I was reading a bit about the tortures these past few days. My favorite for the heretic (someone that believes differently) was for the priest to put a hungry rat in a jar and place it upside down on the victims stomach. You can imagine the rest, and the joy god must have felt through the actions of his servants. Things that are virtually unimaginable to a regular person becomes routine to the faith.

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          1. All said and done, the biblical character Jesus of Nazareth was really not a nice person at all.

            His rotteness is fully reflected in the likes of Pastor Mel and others.

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            2. If Jesus the Nasoraen was who Christians claim he is/was (1/3rd of Trinity)… then he is also an accomplice of well over 40-Million capital murders/massacres. And THAT number is extremely conservative!

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            3. He set up a system to create the most amount of misery, whether intensional or not, if on purpose shame on him, if by incompetence, some perfect deity huh? Of course whoever set it up couldn’t see the horrific outcome, or they could.

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            4. Jim … don’t you know you have it all wrong? According to Mel-baby and his sidekick JB, atheists and non-believers can’t argue against “God” using scripture. To them, it’s “irony” to use scripture to counteract Christian beliefs.

              I’m still trying to figure out the logic behind this … 🙄

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            5. I saw that the other day. Thanks for the reminder. I just think it must be quite bothersome to be proven wrong by their own book.

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    2. And you’re not even getting into the heavy stuff – like religious groups lobbying senators in Argentina to stop the legalisation of abortion in a country where many poor women die every year because of botched home abortions. Or how while Pope Francis professes compassion for church child abuse victims, his very church is lobbying to maintain statute of limitations laws which stop victims from bringing court cases against abusers. Or how religious groups have flooded Africa pushing abstinence only programs and saying condoms don’t work hence contributing to the Aids epidemic. Or how even the *nice little Buddhists* are pushing the Rohingya persecution and massacre.

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      1. Agreed, I haven’t scratched the surface. They’ve got me hamstringed with this one minute info blog thing. I’d need at least two minutes to cover all the types of torture approved by Christianity (and I would have to use my auctioneer voice) on 78 rpm

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  4. One only needs to read the bible to see why Christianity tolerates and even encourages horrific behaviors. The god of the Bible is vindictive, petty, vengeful, jealous, intolerant and sadistic. He blithely orders people to kill their own children to prove their love of him, murders people for little or no reason, commits genocide, tolerates theft, rape, murder, incest and slavery as long as it’s done according to his rules, and will gleefully torture you in the most horrific ways possible for all eternity if you do something to make him angry. Religion is often used not to “save” people’s souls, it is most often used to give justification to the most base impulses of humanity; greed, lust, thirst for power, sadism.

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    4. How anyone can make any bad behavior morally good
      You identify the morally wrong action you want to commit
      You then assign the command to do that action to a god your worship ( more like made )
      You then state that everything your god do is good and that goodness is the very nature of your god
      Then, by definition your morally wrong deed becomes morally good

      This is kind of how many christians or muslims justify the barbaric parts of their “sacred texts”

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  5. I would be willing to venture a guess that witchcraft and sorcereries developed from the desperation to protect themselves from the faithfuls of religion.

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  6. Gods make poor scape goats. That’s why demons are needed (donna hafta say ‘mysterious ways’ so often). Blame anyone except me for my actions.

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    1. The fact that the fear and torture arose from religion on every continent, in every town, not by a rogue, crazy masochist or two, but a widespread oppression from the roots of the Christian model. It is the outcome, intended to not.

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    1. Jesus is a figure-head only for a more sinister agenda. Calling it good is a cover, for the outcomes are obviously, consistently depraved when left unchecked.

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      1. Speaking of northern, I can actually make out clouds and a little blue sky this morning. We have a child pool and I’ve been hovering ash from the bottom for a week and the house side streaks where the sprinkler wets it. Cars too. What we need is a good drenching.

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  9. Don’t blame God!!!??? 😳 Right. Don’t tell the c. 14th-century BCE Canaanites that! God commanded his Israelites…

    Get ready now, you and all the people of Israel, and cross the Jordan River into the land that I am giving them. As I told Moses, I have given you and all my people the entire land that you will be marching over. 4 Your borders will reach from the desert in the south to the Lebanon Mountains in the north; from the great Euphrates River in the east, through the Hittite country, to the Mediterranean Sea in the west. (Joshua 1:2-4)

    Oh, and btw, there happens to be a number of cultures/kingdoms of other people, including women and children, living there and have been for a number of centuries! But show them no mercy Israelites. Then God also said…

    Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

    And if I may Jim, pull from my own “Why Christianity Will Always Fail” blog-page… 🤩

    Between Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, and Judges God-Jesus slaughtered or sanctioned the slaughter of some 25,000,000 humans. If Jesus is not 1/3rd of the Godhead and one in the same, then this is the Old Covenant God he undeniably worshipped so much he also died for it/Him. In modern criminology, Jesus was an accessory to near 25-million capital murders.

    Not even Hitler can hold a candle to this blood-thirsty Abrahamic God!!! Period. 🤯😖 Don’t blame God!!!??? Dude, WTF are you smoking!? (btw, that’s not a question directed at you Jim 😉 ) LOL

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      2. Jim, have you caught the last several exchanges P-ditty Mel and I have had on his 2nd to latest blog-post… “The death of God, true worlds, and Christian hope“? He won’t even allow me any authority whatsoever to quote the Holy Scriptures, the Word of God (not me, btw! – LOL), or have any neutrality or impartiality of quoting and interpreting Scripture passages and exegetical experience/background… DESPITE my seminary education and years in Xian ministries!!! Bwahahahahaha! 🤣 What a very deluded man he is. 😦

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          1. Whenever it’s convenient. But essentially what he is implying to ANY non-Christians is that we do not have his (or “True Christian’s”) super-power Reading Glasses that only the opthamological “Holy Spirit” can provide bible readers. Hahahaha! In other words, interpreting the Bible/New Testament hermenuetically correct can ONLY be done by an elite, esoteric, discriminating, prejudice, superior select group of “True Christians.” Am I wrong in that deduction? 🤔

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            1. I’m going to throw this out because it needs to happen. This was in response to my previous post when Asked how we can determine what is real. “It’s not that difficult. Consensus. If it requires faith to believe, it does not exist. If you can show me what you are talking about without me having to employ faith, hope, wishing, etc, we can all agree that thing is real. That goes for ghosts, goblins, shadow people, witchcraft, religious faith and all supernatural. Anything real can be duplicated without having to be privy to some religious tape, potion, holy oil, water, etc. that is our starting point. The rest is called imaginations”.

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            2. Yes, yes, and again I scream YES!!! 🤩

              And anything in between “real” and “faith” (or what I would term TBD) easily, logically, rationally falls into degrees of probability, or plausibility, or unlikely, or highlly unlikely… until shown otherwise by Consensus of Experts/Peers. I’d much rather err on the side of TBD caution until shown/proven otherwise by testable, verifiable, data-evidence or contextual (independent!) facts.

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            3. Oh! And to be perfectly clear on my above scientific method/ways of assessing life and all its events, Christianity — or what I feel is the more accurate labelling of 4th – 5th century CE Hellenistic Apotheotic Christology — can be compellingly shown as a bogus convolution of several cultures/customs under the harshly oppressive sociopolitical and military might of the Roman Empire. Mainstream Christianity’s roots/origen, as we understand it today, cannot be sufficiently corroborated by INDEPENDENT sources — only biased Hellenistic Christian or Judeo-Christian (weakly) sources. Period!

              Now, we return you to your regularly scheduled programming. 😁

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            6. When truth is subjective, there is a problem. When ” this is the best argument I’ve heard so far so I’ll believe it without evidence” is your basis for your faith, there is a problem. When you lean on ancient men’s words to build up your hope, quote them extensively and then say it doesn’t matter if the stories are true or not, there is a problem. The honest truth is that no one can know God exists without God showing himself to us. If all we have is words, then all we have is our own imagination and a lot of wishing. Truth is truth. Truth requires evidence. If your truth doesn’t require evidence to be true, then you don’t understand what the word truth is at all. I know that and you know that but so many people think that truth varies from person to person. Conversing with these people is frustrating to say the least.

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            7. Mel accuses me of subjectivity all the time. Hello? Pot, it’s kettle… His morality is exclusive and sent by god. He can’t, however, provide any exclusive Christian morality that didn’t exist long before his religion. The entire religion is based on subjectivity. And, great comment Ben. Worthy of its own post.

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            8. How can faith based anything ever be anything by subjective? How could it ever be objective? “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Imagine that I develop a powerful religion that worships a pink elephant and failing to convince you, or brow-beat you emotionally to “believe” in the pink elephant I have you (and anyone else who refuses to believe) tortured or subjected to genocide because of it, is that my evidence for the existence of the pink elephant? If the ensuing terror forces people to claim they believe in the PE to save their lives, is that my objective evidence? If I enslave a country and force the poor to build palaces to the PE, is that objective evidence of its existence? If I hire henchmen to write a book in which the pink elephant rules from beyond the clouds and mix it up with history and pseudo-history, does that become a legal basis for the existence of said PE? The answer is self evident: none of it proves its existence. There is but one area where Christians and their religion could have provided a kind of evidence that they had something real: they could have become compassionate beings dedicating their lives to the service of others without ever saying a word about why, except to shrug and say, it’s just what I choose to do, and to be. Who could oppose that, then? Currently I’m working with a Christian organization in disaster relief and it is the argument I’ve steadfastly held to my fellow workers. If you think you have something good, first enjoy it for yourself. Second, demonstrate its “goodness” to others by your commitment to the work without the hypocrisy of religion (or politics when there is actually a difference) to skew or poison your results.

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            9. I concur. Very well stated Sha’Tara. Anyone that wanted to survive more than die off acquiesced. Anyone with a genetic disposition to rebel is long gone. Now we sort through the rubble to try and find what’s left of who we really are. THAT, was taken generations ago.

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  10. If I did believe this god exists, I can certainly blame it for doing nothing. And when Christians try to spout “free will”, one just need to point out that their god, per their bible, constantly interfered with humanity, destroying free will, and now, any claim of a “miracle” destroys free will.

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        1. Yeah, I’ve read the bible and that was always the part that got me, to please god I would have had to be better than god at every turn. Except for the hocus pocus that never happened of course. Stupid, stupid, stupid…

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          1. When we are invited to read the Bible it is almost always with the presup that it is the “good book”, and we sift through to find the good parts and learn the lessons of the bad parts. Compelling us to faith before we have knowledge, only to convince our own minds that everyone must be on to something I missed. So you continue on, and in the end you might have some feel good moments but the global, end result has been more destructive than any other system. The system naturally leads to horribility in men that normally could never do such things.

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  12. I think from scripture we find that humans are going to sin, even at times when they are professed believers in the One who loves and saves them. So I am not terribly surprised that humans sin and contradict what the Savior says. Of course this does nothing towards Christianity being false. I would personally admonish those who profess Christ and are sinning because we are called to reflect the Savior.

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    1. I get your point but…I’m seeing the “sin” as you say it because of scripture, not in spite of it. Augustine using scripture to justify force, for instance. The “word” is ambiguos, vague, and faulty on numerous levels. If there was a god I’m pretty sure he could do better. Part of the problem is men trying to interpret dreams into something that meant nothing at all. Neurology shows us these things are a natural part of the maintenance and upkeep of the human brain during rest. I even saw it this week. My grandson woke up about midnight and ran out in the living room to put out the kitchen fire. It took quite a while to settle him down because it was so real. Just a dream. All of them were too.

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    2. I think from scripture we find that humans are going to sin.

      What a way to live! Always hoping you don’t do or say something that might be considered “sin.” And then have to “repent” and/or worry about where you’re going to end up at life’s end.

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      1. Yet that is how a very significant and power-wielding portion of population lives, refusing to grow up; to take responsibility for anything; no need to change, forgiveness a guarantee in the end if you believe. Fundamentalism has re-stated the concept of divine grace to say that no matter the kinds of crimes against humanity a born again Christian commits, his verbalized faith in Christ guarantees instant salvation at death. Thus grew the fascist minded “distilled villainy” of modern evangelicalism.

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        1. The grace doctrine is one of the worst things ever from a “God to human” philosophy. It would work well between equals—people. But, the inherent word of god let’s you decide which contradiction to adhere to…
          For by grace are ye saved through faith…not of works. —Ephesians 2:8,9
—Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. —James 2:24
          I know most avoid James if at all possible. Excuses for bad behavior through scripture is pretty handy. “I’m not perfect, just forgiven” is a worthless phrase.

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  13. Whoops! You are totally wrong. You cannot generalize a specific religious followers deviations or fall down as an ground to hate religion or God. Because atheist or secularism has no fundamental good platform on which one can walk smoothly and peacefully. It is because of religion still there is some law and order in the society otherwise it would be like burial ground just like late russian joseph stallin did.

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    1. I thought you wanted a yes or no. Here’s just one.
      “And the lord said unto the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.—Luke 14:23
      This the the scripture Augustine used to justify his treatment of the Donatists and shortly after adapted this behavior to all non Christians as well. That was the scripture used to justify the butchering of indigenous people all over the globe.

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  16. and More incoherence. I asked about scriptures and you are speaking about something else. Lord compelled the poor and handicapped person to sit and have supper on a Sabbath day. I’m amazed by your intellectual impairment by considering feeding sanctified food to the poor as an act of atrocity. Lol.

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  17. That depends on attitude of a person. If he is an sinful dumb atheist like you he will take it in an negative sense and speak all nonsense for doing all sorts of sinful activities.

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