After a successful day of hive hunting with the kids, I stumbled upon a queen-bee (Lana) that hadn’t left the hive yet for hibernation. I think she finally may after today. 
This is the most arrogant and egotistical of all the arguments I’ve been blessed with. From her post “Right…” which she has removed and deleted David K and my comments after tagging atheism in settings.
“When you truly know God and have a close relationship with Him you don’t have to worry about keeping faith. Only a false Christian would lose faith”
And…
“I stand by my words. No true Christian loses their faith. You may question God sure, but you never leave Him. You were never one to begin with Jim. It sounded like you tried to win favour so hard by works yet we are saved by grace when we love God and surrender”.
After my courteous reply about ego, arrogance, and judging others level of faithfulness, she told me “shame on you for running an atheist blog” and closed comments down. I don’t think her faith is as powerfully strong as she implied. Zealots are rarely mentally ready for the big leagues.
Her background in the occult, yoga, and new age, coupled with her surrender to Jesus, is a neurological trap sprung from gullible tradition, suckered by the feel-good lies of TB’s.
Primed first as a child, left jesus to practice various sorcereries. To return to the God she grew up with was an easy neuropathway to reconnect, floods of dopamine (I mean the spirit) confirming old habits die hard—she will be an atheist before New Years if she’s not already. That’s how she came in to the world, that’s how one should leave it. Those that spout the hardest have the most doubt, and she pulls no punches when it comes to seeking validation. It’s obvious she only knows the words…Here’s her latest post if your interested (I’ve given it a half star rating just for the conspiracy crap)
One thing about religious convictions—they are beautifully suited to the arrogance of the week [sic]. I do feel for her as faith crisis is a troublesome time, but when you finally leave the ego/god complex behind, true love emerges for the first time and freedom rings. But first…growing pains. It’s hard to admit you’ve been suckered.
Great eyes for hives. She found both of them
And a happy crazy-eyes bee-hive hunting grandson! Why does he always do that? Lol
A beautiful day in the fall mountains.
TheCommonAtheist 
So you been ‘blog shamed’ now. Good story. Cute kids. Awesome hives. Leaves turning now?
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Finally turning. Most are still fairly green. It’s been so warm out I was surprised the bees had died off for the winter already. Must operate on biology over climate. It’s pretty amazing what a little group can accomplish over the summer. She’ll start fresh again in the spring if she survives hibernation. Pretty interesting life cycle.
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She appears to have deleted the post you linked. I, too, was once a Christian, although they’ll never believe I was a “true” one because that would mean that they’re in danger of losing their salvation, too. NoTrueScotsman fallacy at its finest. I believed Jesus died for my sins and paid the debt for me, and I accepted that and rested in the promise that I was going to heaven someday. Later, when I lost my faith, I converted to Judaism as an adult. My mom later said that she thought it was due to mental illness. I had to set her straight that I have unipolar depression and anxiety, not something that makes me lose touch with reality. There went that excuse, too. It is naturally stressful for Christian parents to think their kid is going to end up in Hell, tortured and separated from them for all eternity, so they try to think of some way it would be possible.
Another reason I know there’s no Biblegod is that you’re supposed to have peace after getting saved. As a child, I can’t count how many times I would cry in the night and beg God to give me some reassurance or save me before it was too late and I went to Hell. If God cannot accept the repeated cries of a sincere child, then He is not divine.
Over the years, I fell away from Judaism, and since this summer I haven’t had peace. I have been praying and asking God to help me know who He is and to help me to be like Him. I specifically have prayed that if I got things wrong and Jesus is the Messiah, to please show me, help destroy any resistance I might have so I may believe and trust in Him as my savior. I spent time researching religion, mythology, science, and philosophy. Over the months, I still had no peace. Talking to God was like talking to a brick wall. Due to my reading, I accepted that there was no literal 6-day creation, no global flood, the Big Bang is likely how we all got here, and evolution is real. I finally came to the realization that the God of the Bible doesn’t exist, and it’s likely no other gods exist. If God cannot accept the repeated requests of a sincere adult, then He is not divine.
I am a most reluctant atheist. I would much rather believe that I’m immortal and going to see my loved ones someday. I’d like to believe there is a God who is watching over me, protecting me, guiding me, and listening to me. I’d like to believe that when I and others go through unpleasant experiences there’s a greater plan. I never expected to end up here, but I’d rather know an uncomfortable truth than believe a comfortable lie.
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Who knows, maybe you are immortal. We’ll see. As far as doubts, I think you got this. After deconversion game I realized that I’d been doing it all along myself anyway, so nothing really changed except empowerment. Thanks for the great, honest comment. All the best to you and thanks for shopping with us. Hehe
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Dear Liora,
I am an atheist, but I still believe in immortality. For me, Life is the force that holds the cosmos together. All living beings, not just human life or even sentient life, but all life anywhere and everywhere is related in life, all connected to each other in my version of what spirituality is for me. Ego is finite, even mind is finite, but spirit is forever.
There is no set way for an atheist to be, no set thing that an atheist must believe, other than the fact that there is no superbeing/director of the universe, and even that might be a possibility if you can come up with an instance where a director is not omniscient (though I cannot imagine one). Atheism is what you make it, what you find in yourself that makes sense to you. Please don’t think there is an anti-religion called atheism, there isn’t. You make your own rules. You are free…
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Sorry I just now saw your reply. That’s a very thought-provoking comment that having been part of life makes us part of the cosmos. I’m not sure most atheists would agree that we even have a spirit, so not sure how it could live forever. And yes, I am on guard of group-think in atheism. Although some atheists are anti-theist as well, I know it’s not the same.
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Better late than never, right? When I read your first comment here (above) I felt concerned for you. Now that you have replied, I am wondering how you are doing in life. Without a god, or jesus, to help you along, are you growing to trust in yourself, or are you still looking for outside help? One thing I have learned for myself is that, barring accidents, I am the one responsible for what I do, and what other do to me. I don’t mean I am responsible for others calling me names, or trying to hurt me, but I am responsible for how I respond, and if I am willing to let their actions hurt me. Life is much more than breathing, eating, loving, etc. Life is interacting with others, and interacting with yourself. It is a good thing to let your ego take charge in a lot of things, it helps you get through physical reality. But there are times you need to intervene, when your ego wants to avenge things that have been done to you, or to friends of yours. Sometimes your ego wants to step on others for no reason other than to get you what you want.
I apologize, but my thoughts are all over the place right now. Please forgive me. I just wanted to say though I don’t know you, I care about you. The rest, well, take it or leave it as you will. All choices are yours.
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Here’s a lovely argument I’ve used just for fun with christians. “You’re not REALLY a christian because…well…because there are no real christians–only atheists who’ve deceived themselves into thinking they believe something that isn’t true to help calm their death anxiety. Yep. Sorry. I do not believe or trust you ‘christian’ because you’re lying to yourself, even if you turn blue in the face denying it. See, I know far more about what’s really going on in your mind than you do. This is what gives me the right to tell you, even if you’ll deny it til the day you die, you’re an atheist deep down, and you’re lying to yourself about your ‘faith’. That’s just a fact. All else is fake news. Your disbelief in this makes it no less true.” Fun argument. Doesn’t shut them up, nothing can shut up know-it-alls, but it’s fun nonetheless.
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Duly noted. I’ll use that someday nice jeff.
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And you would be left with a very angry fundie
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I think you are seriously onto to something here. I have come to the conclusion that the incoherent, word salad “arguments” of the true believers is not them trying to convince YOU. It is them trying (and failing miserably) to convince THEMSELVES that their God is not dead.
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Unlike others whose comments appear here, Inspired, I do not agree with your methods. Why do you want to go around bullying others who don’t believe as you do? You know they are wrong, I know they are wrong, but you should also know they are not ready to hear what you have to say, and in saying it you are strengthening up their defences–why would they want to become a bully too. You once believed, and (I presume) you came to your disbelief naturally when you were ready. Every atheist I know came to atheism when they were ready, and they did it without outside help. That is called spiritual evolution, or at least that is what I call it. All beings will come to this knowledge (belief) in their own time. Please, be kind to others.
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You might need to hold onto something for this, OK? Are you ready? I mean it. Hold on to something. Here it comes. Wait! You’re not holding onto anything, and you’re gonna fall down! I’m serious! Hold onto something! OK? Ready? Here it comes: I’M NOT BEING SERIOUS!!! Honestly, with all the hyperbolic crap I write, the number of people who take this utter tripe seriously never ceases to amaze me. So, I’ll spell it out for those without senses of humor, those who never use sarcasm to blow off steam, and those who..well…those are are just too god damned slow and serious in life to fucking smile once in a god damned while! I’m FUCKING JOKING!!! No, I do NOT ACTUALLY say these things to christians. Yes, I understand it would actually be a fruitless endeavor. I don’t talk with christains on these topics at all anymore, really, as I spent over 40 years AS one and have literally heard all I can take on the subject millions of times. So, I use sarcasm to toss a little hyperbolic nonsense out here and there to bring a tad bit of sarcastic humor to conversations I’ve heard 6090 thousand times before.
Now, are you still holding on to something? Wouldn’t want you to fall on your buttinski and injure it. Ready? OK, here it comes. WAIT! Dammit, hold on to something! OK, here we go: Don’t like what I’ve written? DON’T READ IT! It wasn’t addressed to YOU, was it? Now, smile. Have some nice warm tea, and remember, not everyone is a sensitive darling in life who is easily damaged by hyperbolic nonsense not in the least bit meant for their sensitive eyes to read. OK, you can let go now, but be careful, you might still be light-headed and fall when you try to walk.
And always remember what Frank Sinatra once said to his chef, Peter Pimplepopper the 2nd, “Peter, if I were you I’d take my kids outta that Catholic school you have ’em in. I hear the priests there like to bugger kids and almost always get away with it.” Wise man, that Sinatra was.
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So, you were a Christian Muslim for forty years? I thought you said you were 35. If that is true, I can see how subtracting your time in the mosque has returned you to your prime which you wasted in the church. Furthermore, if you’re 35 now, how can sarcasm eradicate years you already subtracted to maintain your younthedness through de-conversion.? I would check your math again. You’re at least 36 blasphemer.
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Look, in Muslim years, I’m 35, but that’s 55 in christian years! Duh! I mean COME ON!!! God works in mysterious ways, but there are different kinds of mysterious depending on what faith you follow. I thought everyone knew this? 🙂
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They do know it now. Everybody reads self proclaimed Nobel analysis. Hey, I’m 55 too, but my Muslim time was replaced with polygamous time, in multiplying fractions I believe we’re even.
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Well, I’m an Asian deist, too. So, on every second Sunday, I’m 678 years old if you count forward from the first birth of the first Asian Dew Back monkey ever born in fantasy. I know, it gets nutty and hard to follow. You should be in my head when I make this shit up! Sheesh!
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Hence the double horn groin? I u derstand.
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WHAT??!!? You’ve been just spouting untruths all this time? Oh. My. Thor. I’m not sure I’ll ever get over this earth-shattering news. You were right that I should hold onto something as I definitely feel very weak and shaky.
This has greatly upset my day, I’ll have you know!
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I apologize. I know it is difficult to believe, since I write with such undeniable truthfulness pouring from each word, that I am, in actuality, not being serious or explaining to others how they should actually behave. To make it up to you, I’ll be sending you several bowls of your favorite ice cream via carrier pigeon as soon as I finish typing these hauntingly true, real, and non-fictitious words. Except for the glaringly real confession that I am a 68 year old Asian Deist, all else I write or have written is hyperbolic gibberish meant to baffle the minds of the unwary and bring a pained grin to all those who take life and hyperbolic gibberish to heart. May the great Lord of the Golden Boot watch over and bless you and keep you safe from non-serious gibberish that is too often taken seriously. Like Dean Martin once said to dentist, Dr. Yank Toohard, ” Dr. Toohard, somehow, when you give me this laughing gas to inhale, the pain I feel from you drilling into my skull is a lot easier to take. Thanks, pal. Thanks a lot.”
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I shall watch with anxious excitement for those carrier pigeons! And I will have a bucket at the ready to catch what drips are left.
Oh, and thank you scads for the blessing. It truly made my day!
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Methink thou dost ptrotest too much.
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I got a question my dude, do you think that you could persuade me to stop believing in Christ? I’m a Christian, and I would like to hear where you come from religiously, and why you believe what you do. Minus the cursing if you could:)
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From her comments, she does not strike me as someone who can be reasoned with
Jim since people like you and I were never “real christians” so if we had died like a year before we lost our faith, god will sentence us to hell simply because if we have lived a year further we would have lost our faith therefore we are a fraud and all our years of sincere worship and beliefs were just a waste of time
If this is the case then no one can be said to be a “true christian” after all we don’t know the choices one would make tomorrow
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She isn’t reasonable yet, but I have a sister in law that’s dabbled in these many belief system too, and each time she was anchored for life. This too will pass. She’s only seeking validation. That’s why the knee jerk when someone disagrees. Her faith is superficial and she’s parroting.
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In Rabbinical and Sectarian Judaism, even back during the Second Temple and the father of their “Christ” and Christianity, Jews would often argue with Pagans that this very existence we perceive ourselves as “living in” on Earth is ACTUALLY of no substance at all. How? Yahweh created everything out of nothing! 😮 In fact, according to Abrahamic logic and reasoning NOTHING has to be as we mortal humans (Lana included) falsely or correctly perceive it. Hahahahaha! Talk about a merry-go-round that never ever stops once you sell-out to it. 🎠😵
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You have to make it THAT obscure and fleeting or the game is over. The obvious has to be explained very deeply and disconnected from said reality to finely insert a superstition that has no real bearing on our existence. All in the name of controlling people with promises of Heaven and hell
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Yep. I hope Lana feels warm and cozy in her make-believe puppet-world where nothing she says or does has any impact. The puppeteer only created her out of boredom. 😄
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I like JZ’s take on the created, synthetic world. It matches the synthetic reasoning that goes with religion.
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Yes! He explains it really well, doesn’t he? Ya know… we (as in highly evolved, intelligent humans) CAN actually explain many MANY things in this life/existence. If not perfectly, most plausibly — we don’t know what we don’t know; leave it at that until we know more. LOL
But we have DAMN sure learned a ton since the Bronze Age! Many things, events, people that her Bronze Age mythology didn’t understand are now easily explainable. But there will always be some frogs that want to stay in the frying pan for the sake of “unflinching loyalty/faith” … or what we would diagnose in clinical psychology: delusional denial.
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What’s interesting about your comment, is we also do know that we don’t know. Just need a way to figure that out too. Good to see you boss. Great comment.
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There are those obscure and fleeting Christians, and there are those obscure and fleeting atheist.
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You do know that not all Christians believe in Abrahamic logic, correct?
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All Christians are not Christians if you observe, each chooses their own little tidbits to believe. This is a big part of what’s happened to humanity https://jimoeba.wordpress.com/2019/01/26/holy-spirit-or-hormones/
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There are those that call themselves Christians that are not, that is true, however, I’m not gonna say any specifics, I’ll let God judge that. If you think about it though, there are also a ton of atheist that choose little tidbits of things to believe. Btw, look me up at Ward Bros. Honey Co. and like my posts, and subscribe if you want to. And sorry if i can’t talk much rn, i’m in a Model United Nations meeting.
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All Christians think they met are doing it wrong—This, I agree. I know Christians often say we believe something too. It just rarely the case.
https://jimoeba.wordpress.com/2019/01/27/what-i-believe/
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You believe that there is no god, and no spirits or spiritual realm, correct? And dang, my teeth hurt, just got braces. It was one of those times when my mom fixed a REALLY nice meal and I couldn’t eat it. Such a bad feeling.
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I don’t have to believe it. It is self evident. Not believing an ismdea presentes to you is not a belief system. What’s the word for people that don’t believe in astrology, or ghosts? There isn’t one. Atheism is a label we frequently get forced to defend and it shouldn’t even be a word. Non-believer is is just that. Your premise is a misnomer
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Not trying to be rude or anything, too bad text can’t really show feeling, but you do in essence believe that there is no God, correct? And I never said that you were an atheist, however, a person that does not believe in any spiritual realm is typically called an atheist, just as a person that believes in multiple gods/spiritual realms is called a polytheist, and just like a person that believes in God is called, labeled if you will, a theist. But if you take offense in being called an atheist, then I won’t. It doesn’t even matter really what you call someone.
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I’m not offended at all. I don’t believe or have any evidence whatsoever to believe. That is not a belief. It’s a fact. Every jot and tittle can and has been explained by different scientific disciplines. That is not belief. Neurologists can touch a part of your brain and make you see spirits and hormones give you all the feel good of conversion. When you allow yourself to be manipulated without understanding your own physiology…that is called gullible. There’s a reason Christians get to the kids when they are young. It hardwires the neurons through submission and repetition. Same as the prison camps of North Korea, China, and north Vietnam. It’s well documented.
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Actually, as one example, scientists cannot explain flaggellum. They have a ball-and-socket hinge that cannot be explained by macro, micro, or whatever type of evolution you can classify it under. Watch a video of it, they are pretty cool. Also, I could say that children born to non-religious parents are brainwashed, but they aren’t, everyone makes their free choice. And also, I believe that God is real, and I don’t have any evidence not to believe, that is also fact. There’s no point in saying that when you believe in something is fact, obviously, it’s fact, there’s no point in saying that, unless, you are trying to lie to someone. Hope that makes sense.
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Your choice is a decision to believe. You have no facts but agree to believe it anyway. That’s called delusion, according to the APA. You actually have the burden of proof. You are making an extraordinary claim with no evidence to back it up.
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That just proves to me sir that you have not looked up a flagellum. I just gave you facts, you automatically denied them, I’m sure you didn’t look it up. But I can’t make you do anything, and your choice is a decision to not believe. So, if you can answer a question of mine without you repeating yourself and calling me delusional, (according to the APA, of course) than please answer how the world, in fact, how anything, got here. Hope that isn’t too deep for you.
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I already know what flagellum is. Why would I look it up?
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This comment is so unrealistic I won’t address it. Because scientists have difficulty explaining something is not a default to god did it. Plus, nobody in the history of the word knows when they’ve been brainwashed until after it’s deprogrammed.
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Funny that you say that, because the brainwash part applees to you and me if you think about it. And scientists don’t have difficulty explaining it, they simply can’t explain it. Period.
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Your mind isn’t very open. You’ll get there, but admitting you’ve been duped by the herd is hard to admit.
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How have I been duped? You’ve told me so much, yet you still haven’t answered a lot. If you could have gotten past thinking I’m a brainwashed little squirt, then maybe we could have bad a good conversation.
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Deciding what you believe and locking down on it as such a young person is not only unwise, but just proved your comment. What’s the big rush to “believe” and set your course for life before you even need to shave? Because of brainwashing delusion. That’s why. There, is truth. You are a know it all. Sorry. That is true too.
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The big rush to believe, Mr. Jim, is because we don’t know when our lives on earth will end. What if you died tonight? do you know where you would be, where you would go? Do you know if you would go anywhere at all? I do. I know that Christ has promised me salvation, a rest from this sorry and sinful world that only He can provide. I am not brainwashed. I am not a know it all, I have said that I’m not, and I’m not pretending to be. You can say whatever you want to, you can say that you’ve stumped me, and in truth you have stumped me, I can’t figure out how you can take my responses to your questions and say that you have fooled me, cause you haven’t even made me blink an eye. Also, you say that the word atheism is forced upon you, it’s very ironic that your username is the common ATHEIST, the very word that you say you don’t like. If the only way that you can feel comfortable and accomplished is by saying that you’ve fooled me, and that I must change, than nothing I can say or do can change that (to be quiet frank) depressing mindset. You have told me nothing, I ask you things, and you don’t answer, because you and I both know that you can’t. There, is truth. I am praying for you, that you will find Christ. My mind is open, and it still is. I have a personal relationship with my Creator. I have peace. I have hope. I’m sorry that you don’t have the joy that Christ alone gives, but I do hope that you find Him one day. Unfortunately, I can’t talk to you any more. I’m sorry, I wish I could. I hope that you have a very happy and content life, and hopefully I’ll see you in heaven one day.
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“ What if you died tonight? do you know where you would be, where you would go? Do you know if you would go anywhere at all? . You don’t know any of theses things but a guess based on indoctrination and faith. Belief actually does have you failing to comprehend the mere nature of the entire fallacy. I’ve answered enough for you to question your own belief. Speaking of depressing? Submit your will to a fantasy and spend your life searching for meaning that doesn’t exist, while abandoning any semblance of an fruitful life by faith in what you say you “know” versus all the philosophers, priests, rabbis, and every other adult Christian that has spent their lives chasing this and don’t “know” anything. . NO signs follow them that believe! It’s a lie.
The red writing of the Bible is a lie! “Greater miracles than these will follow them that believe”? Sorry. Never happened.
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Thank you for talking, hopefully one day we can sit and talk face to face.
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Can you give me a reason to believe what you are so quick to believe without anything to back it up?
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And it is funny to me that you say that there are/were gods, since you say that there are no gods. Nice talking!
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Just seeing that you divide a comment to suit your intent is enough to know where you’re at.
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You make no sense. Sorry if I didn’t, and yes, I know where I am at right now in my life. I know the love of Christ, and I am truly sorry that you don’t. Bye.
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What was my premise, and why do you not agree with my premise if you don’t? you are saying so much, i can’t really understand what you are replying to.
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You say I believe in something? I am in no rush at all to make a choice, nor “believe” anything at all that can’t be demonstrated. That is not a belief.
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I think that you can answer this, you should be able to understand this. Do you believe that God is not real, and has never existed?
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All the gods have come and gone—Now they hide. Miracles disappeared with the advent of the cell camera. Do you believe in any other gods but yours? We are both atheists. I just go one god further. Of course there are no gods sitting up in yonder heavens occasionally tinkering in the human genome after controlling billions of galaxies for his will and pleasure. It’s a ridiculous notion.
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God created man in his own image for his enjoyment, and our purpose is to glorify him and enjoy him forever. That is my belief. I believe in God, therefore, I am a theist. That’s how it works. And no, I don’t believe in any other gods. How did the human genome and billions of galaxies get there? It’s a ridiculous notion that they all just popped there, as you’ve already said, something cannot be created out of nothing. I know you can’t rebutt that. Thanks for having this conversation with me, btw, I’m always grateful to talk with more mature people, it is nice to see where other people stand.
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You really should come back after you can share what you’ve learned—Not what you’ve been told you believe. Go, live the precepts of faith—field test the words and tell me what signs follow them that believe. It is a fact there are none. It is only by faith you can defend this nonsense, and it is by fact that you’ll leave it.
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Fortunately, I’m not an idiot, and i was never forced to believe anything. If we were all forced to believe things, then this world would be a sad place. And actually, I haven’t defended any nonsense yet, everything that I have said you’ve agreed with, and I’m not leaving my faith until you give me facts that will change my mind. And honestly, I’m not a know-it-all in apologetics, and I won’t pretend to be. None of us are perfect, so I won’t try to pretend to be. Have you visited my site yet?
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There is a good reason you showed up to test your ideas. Doubt, and to promote your site. If you want to test your strength, carefully read my last ten posts—Try to read the comments too. If you do an honest effort, (it’s only about 30 minutes of your time) then I’ll look at your stuff. Other than that, Christianity is a dud. 50 years was enough.
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Fortunately, I’m not in a hurry to promote my site, it’s a stupid school assignment. I’ve read your comments, I find nothing to prove or disprove Christ in any way. SOOO where did the world come from? And dang, you look young for your age!
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I am young for my age. The universe is a brute fact. There was never nothing. How hard is that?
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I didn’t ask that, that’s not a valid explanation. I asked how the universe came into existence, there is no need for the universe, there is no cause for this universe, besides a greater being than we can comprehend. I’m sorry, i have to go play some game for model UN. Good to talk to you!
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From here in comments there is no way to hyper-link over to your site reidward????? 🤔🙄 (puzzled)
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https://wordpress.com/read/feeds/92517177
sry
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For…? No worries mate
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Sure. In many countless ways most of life and human nature and our attempts to interpret them are subjective and based first (and embedded pretty deep) by our birth parents, family, community, and regional culture. The numerous social and human sciences as well as the paleoanthropology and others consistently show this to be true.
So yes, humans (no matter what they label themselves) follow endless “logics.” However, some of them are clearly illogical by a diverse cumulative consensus and by some basic now globally humanistic standards and hopefully Abrahamic logic goes extinct, VERY SOON!
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Yeah, some logics are just so off that it’s obvious that they are biased and just wrong.
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Yes, one very tried and true method of avoiding exactly what you speak of Mark Twain aptly assisted us with…
Travel, travel, travel, and travel some more! Immerse one’s self in MANY cultures and their history! This is one golden nugget of advice. 🙂
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! That is a great nugget of advice for everyone. It’ll keep you from getting stuck in your room on your video game for your whole life!
The kids that are like that are just annoying.
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Yeah, there were some pretty crazy Jews back then!
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Yet another exemplary job… with this posting… and with the wee ones. Thanks and peace.
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I’m sorry, folks, but on this situation I cannot go along with you. Yes, Jim, you see a pattern developing, but the pattern is not set in stone. It can lead to many different paths, one of which is the outcome you are predicting, one of which is her staying in the faith, and many others that probably come to something in-between, with a few being totally elsewhere. You cannot know what you think you know, it is not ip to you. That is up to Lana. Making fun of her is beneath you, and everyone else.
And if it is NOT beneath you, then you are not the people I think you are. What I am seeing above is arrogance, know-it-allness, and at the possible cost of losing your friendship, disrespect. Each to their own, but I must state my horror of what I have read above.
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I’m not making fun of her. Your being a little sensitive there buddy. She jumps my ass then shuts the post after telling me she’s a blunt straight shooter. True, only if one agrees with her. There was no friendship, she tagged atheism looking to fight, said some untrue stereotype parroting then bolted. This is just a discussion she wasn’t prepared for.
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It wasn’t your post that upset me Jim, it was the following commentary. Certain people seem to enjoy bullying believers, and while I have been guilty of similar acts, to my own discredit, I felt I had to take a stand. People are still people, I don’t care what they believe or do not believe, as long as they are not hurting others. What I read has the potential to be extremely hurtful, and so I spoke up. This is me being me.
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Copy rg. Your comments and opinions are always welcome. I think civility is in order every time. Thanks sir.
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Peace, man.
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Liked the pictures!
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Thanks Eilene. It’s amazing how much work they do to these and then just leave it behind. The Queen will go hibernate somewhere and all but a few for breeding just die for the winter.
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Nice photos Jim. Very cool hives.
As far as the post is concerned, I am always troubled by those who think we who left Christianity were never true Christians. We know better though. At some point I think most Christians who call former Christians out as never being “one of them” will see that they too have doubts and questions about all of the discrepancies in the Bible that can’t be reconciled and will understand where we are coming from. It’s not a matter of not being a true Christian. It’s a matter of believers realizing the god they worship isn’t a true god. I think Jeff was onto something when he said that those Christians themselves were not true Christians. None of us really are or ever were when you think about it. How can any of us be true Christians when Jesus wasn’t who we are told he was? False gods equal false followers. It doesn’t mean they are not sincere in their faith, just misguided. I was certainly sincere and devout. But no Christ equals no “true Christians”. And I don’t see Jesus anywhere, so…
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Pretty sweet hives!
You rang on a good point that true love emerges after you lose the zeal. It’s easy to be forced to “love” but a wholly new feeling to love freely and naturally.
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Nobody believes it til it happens to them. Thanks Tom. Good to see you.
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Sorry, it’s Ward Bros. Honey Co. You don’t have to look it up if you aren’t interested, and btw, those are wasp nests, not bee’s nests.
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