—How Old is Too Young?

How to ruin the innocent youth of a child.

My wife teaches at a supplemental home school program sponsored by the public school. Some of the kids have trouble in a regular class settings, while most are out of public school for religious reasons while dabbling in the fringe of structured education.

Monday in her science class they were covering the circulatory system, covering the basics of arteries, veins, and the heart. She showed the direction of blood flow into the atrium and the ventricles when a six your old student blurted out, “the only true blood is the blood of Jesus. I’m covered in the blood of Jesus!”

Human sacrifice is a messy game. So messy in fact, that visual would not be allowed in any PG movie in the secular rating system. It’s really not for kids.

Next week they cover the human reproductive system. Notes are already coming in to exempt certain kids from class, and guess who turned in the first letter?

Surprised? Why would a six year old need this in his memory banks? Jeezus! Once again man’s self governed morality trumps biblical influence. It always does!

Author: jimoeba

Alternatives to big box religions and dogmas

105 thoughts on “—How Old is Too Young?”

    1. I was pretty old, in my twenties the first time I went into a church with the bloody jesus on the cross. The shock/trauma value is pretty strong to the un-acclimated. Then come the explanations. Sort of a POW indoctrination feel to it.

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        1. Reminds me of visiting my old father in laws place. We’d stop by with the kids and he’d put all the playboy mags away, but he’d leave the Bible on the coffee table. Pretty funny looking back on it.

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    1. It’s incredibly contradictory that all the efforts to protect children and preserve their innocent youth, is destroyed by the parents and pastors who are trying to protect them. The entire story inspires a fear of living and a guilt complex. Ark, you are pounding the nails in jesus hands with your behavior. How’s that for a guilt trip at 6

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        1. I’ve heard the analogy first hand myself by a paid, crying guest speaker using fake emotions to guilt members into god. Victoria (I believe) did a post quite some time ago about conversion tactics. At the end she revealed it was actually brainwashing techniques for POW’s in Vietnam Nam and China. It fooled me! I thought it was a personal exposé about my ex-religion.

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          1. I’ve been following your dialogue over at the Pastor’s spot.
            I seriously believe all of you should completely ignore Branyan.
            I have mentioned before that I am almost convinced he is a sociopath, and maybe he has a few psychopath tendencies to boot.
            He thrives on the attention – hence the reason why he considers himself to be a comedian.
            Ignore him and see him seethe in his own drool.

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            1. I am taking your advice forthright. I enjoy being here, but that ignorant stupidity just wears out your will to blog. Nobody is really that stupid. Are they?

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            2. Mel can be as intransigent as they come, but Branyan …. well, he is the personification of a Number One Fuckwit.

              If you have ever watched one of his videos you can see the manic shining through.

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            3. One thing Ark. I can’t tell you how much I have learned from you, John, Swarn, Taboo, and others that care to lay out careful dialog and stay on point. It is helpful even though fruitless with those apologist types. So for what it was worth, Thanks.

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            4. I reckon that deep down, we all knew the truth, but how do tell your own parents , teachers and Vicar they are damn liars, especially when many of them were in the same leaky boat?

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            5. I agree about brainyawn. He essentially has nothing to say and uses sarcasm and snide remarks as rebuttals. Most of the time I follow your advice, but occasionally …

              I must say, however, I have come across (once or twice) a contribution by him that actually made sense and carried some weight. But all I could think about is he must have read it somewhere and claimed it as his own.

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            8. Ah … him/her.
              Yes. Another one to ignore after three comments.
              I often wonder why they enter the fray when they are mostly dealing with deconverts?
              Do these folk seriously believe they can offer anything, anything at all , that will make someone such as you reconsider?

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            10. If they would be totally honest about why they converted – and most of these blogging fundamentalists seem to have done so as adults – then one could get a better understanding about why they are so off-the-rails.

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            11. They really don’t like to do that. Neuro evidence explains the conversion process pretty well. Can even duplicate it with outright lies. A small tic in the system, which happens to all of us is not god, but neurology finding its way. Conversion due to emotional trauma or manipulation by professionals is all it is. If they’ve read any studies at all, they already know this.

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            12. I suspect some have , but by clinging to God(sic) it seems – for them – to be the perfect anodyne to assuage feelings of guilt or issues of security.

              *Shrug*
              But what do I know? My allegiance to Christianity was merely cultural and my one lasting memory was being asked somewhat abruptly by a vicar to leave Chester Cathedral while wandering around eating an ice cream when I was 14!

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            14. Chester Cathedral is a magnificent edifice.
              I had missed my bus home and had to wait half an hour for the next ride.
              I was really annoyed at being asked to leave. Perhaps the vicar thought I was going to smear ice cream on the walls or something!

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            15. My patience with Loy is long gone. I had a comment on my blog from Loy a couple of days ago that went right in the trash…as will any future comments. Attention-seekers are not the same as truth-seekers. I really don’t like dancing with someone who insists on leading, with dance moves they make up as they go along. Stirring the pot might be entertaining for a moment, but it gets old real fast.

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            16. It does get old. I’m always appreciative to others that jump in as well. You never know who’s watching, and I am able to learn new ideas and facts from watching you, Doug, John, Swarn,etc. everyone really has a unique arrow to add to the quiver, as Frank would say. The dialog is not wasted.

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            17. I see your point. It’s just that some people’s obstinacy gets rather annoying and I get a bit tired going around in circles.

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            18. I think that’s why I need to quit rabbit holes. I point per discussion, if it wanders too far be done. Ark and Loy have been on my delusions post for what 10, 12 days?

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            19. “I agree about brainyawn. He essentially has nothing to say and uses sarcasm and snide remarks as rebuttals.” Yeah, but the dude’s hilarious. Not sure I mentioned this before, but he really needs to think about a career as a stand up comedian. He’s a natural.

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            24. Awww … I hope you had your umbrella handy.

              Why does he hate rain? Has he ever told you … ?? Perhaps you should take him to a dog counselor to help him overcome his aversion … ??

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            25. I’ve got a feeling she was left outside in a bad t-storm by whoever owned her before me. They said she was found outside at the place where I adopted her. She’s terrified of it. Wasn’t supposed to rain til later or I’d not have taken her out in it. Had to carry her part of the way home.

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            26. Please apologize to HER for my mistake on HER gender!

              Poor baby. But you were a VERY good guy for adopting her … and carrying her home.

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            28. I agree with the Arkenator. I have Mel, Loy, and their ilk on my Ignore List. At the risk of preaching to those who already know better: Every time someone responds to these sociopaths, it gives them attention that is extremely reinforcing of their behavior. Please stop.

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            29. We all more or less take turns. I learn a lot from all of you, regardless of how insane their dialog reads. Besides, others are watching. That’s how I came to be here. From the comments of this very group that made me pause a minute. That’s always the other side Frank,, but a better pace is in order. Thanks buddy.

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  3. That image literally makes my stomach turn. It’s unfathomable that parents actually believe this is an acceptable way to teach their children about Jesus.

    And to refuse a class on reproduction? The indoctrination … oh how it burns!

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    1. She also told me last night that the uber religious kids are the first to shout vagina or penis when they do their classes. Obsessed with the forbidden moralities of nature? I think so. It’s very predictable which kids will be obsessed.

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          1. I went to Catholic school and every morning we had to go to mass. I was the kid who used to whisper the words “poo-poo” to the kid sitting next to me in the pew to see if I could get him or her to laugh thus bringing on the rage of one of the nuns watching us. Fun times, Catholic school was. 🙂

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    2. Many times I have read stories of children who were sexually assaulted by their family members but never realized what was going on until the family member was caught

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  4. I agree with Ark. Putting these thoughts into a child’s mind the way you describe here is child abuse. I used to do quite a bit of tutoring kids when I worked as a teacher’s aide in some of the high schools and grade schools in my area. A few times I came across kids unwilling to learn about geographic phenomena such as plate tectonics and the formation of rocks and fossils. The resistance was always religious based, and I’d hear things like, “My parents and/or pastors say the Earth is too young for such things to have taken billions of years to happen, so you’re wrong about them.” It was quite frustrating because there wasn’t much I could say except to encourage these kids to read more on their own and at least learn the materials as taught so they pass their exams on them. I never came across anything quite as gross as you describe here, however. I truly think putting such thoughts into kid’s heads shows just how disgusting religious indoctrination can be.

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    1. Interesting. In fact, it’s so appalling even you couldn’t find any sarcasm to throw out there. That’s actually quite telling. Thanks Jeff. Great comment.

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  5. I wrote a post not that long ago where I shared a photo of an inscription on my oldest son’s Bible. It had the date of his “salvation” written on it. He was 6 years old. Far too young to be making decisions like that. But he was not too young to hear about the blood and gore of a crucifixion at church. It is a disgusting thing, to teach kids (sometimes with graphic imagery) about a bloody death and then pile on the guilt, telling these innocent kids that their behavior killed this man. I know from personal experience that most parents think they are doing the right thing by exposing their kids to this stuff early and often. I can also tell you from personal experience that they are wrong.

    We need to fill kid’s mind’s with truth. We need to also let them just be kids when they are young. Stop training kids to be soldiers in a war that doesn’t exist. Stop making kids feel bad for the things they do that are human nature. Stop teaching myth as fact. Stop ignoring science because it destroys the Bible story right before your eyes.

    I might be a little bitter about this subject because it’s a bit personal. I have shame and regret about raising my son this way. But it’s never too late to change and make things right. With three other kids that won’t be raised in the church, I’ll be at 75%. Not great parenting, but still a passing grade. 🙂

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  6. I had an interesting eye opener when I was first stationed in Germany way back in the 1980’s. Back then billboards and advertisements would have nude people in them. Heck there was nudity on the TV, and this was a time before even backsides were shone in the US TV market. Beer was sold at McDonald’s, and there was no real age limit for having a beer. Even workers got several beer breaks during the day. I then learned that violence was very much discouraged on TV and movies. It was greatly restricted and shows / movies were rated more restrictive if they had violent content. In talking about all this from my American point of view to a German friend I got an important lessen in understanding. My friend asked me about several popular violent movies and then asked me what would harm a child more, to see a person, someone like them beaten, bloodied, head blown up, stabbed, limbs torn off , and shot… or seeing a person like them with out clothing. The real harm and trauma really was the horrors we can do to others to hurt them, not the no big deal of a glimpse of someones tush. We Americans really are a violent lot, and I don’t think we are quite comfortable in our own skin. Hugs

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    1. Nice Scottie. Like that comparison. If Americans could choose their kids viewing violence over nudity, how shameful to see a couple in an act of love. Debauchery!

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      1. I learned a lot and grew as a person by going overseas. I lost the idea that had been drilled into me that the US was the one and only truly great nation. I lost the idea that only America had the right ideas, I learned that everyone else was not wrong if they did it different than we do. I learned to respect and to appreciate other cultures. My First Sargent insisted on taking me to museums and other places to learn. He was smart. Hugs

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        1. So important Scottie. I can hear Taboo screaming YES YES YES! And I concur. The world is a wonder to be explored. Full of life and differences we need to know, in order to embrace and be one.

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    2. People love to go apeshit over nudity in tv/movies, yet are somehow OK with 10 year olds playing ultra violent video games. The hypocrisy is outstanding, especially when it comes from Christians.

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      1. Not demented, depraved.

        Blood sacrifice, cannibalism and mind control are part and parcel with Christianity. How the hell can you tell the difference between their god and it’s antithesis.

        Here’s an idea, they’re one in the same.

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        1. I think in the fear of the times, the Bible was written as codespeak about the churches. That is what it warns us against. In spite of all we hear about god is good and love and wise, we see the oposite in scripture and deed.

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          1. Primitive beliefs and actions taken because of those beliefs reinforce my belief that the theistic world view is pathologically unhealthy and should be a condition covered by our healthcare system.

            Shit, they’re planning to do away with coverage of pre-existing conditions.

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    1. He’ll have a support system of the disease as long as he stays in. When he finally realizes he’s been lied to, he’ll lose all of his friends when he gets out. That’s the end of a beautiful story of gods finest.

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  9. So, they don’t want him learning about his body, yet they are ok brain washing him with things that he can’t even comprehend at that age? If I was on my phone I would place an eye roll emoji here.

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  10. Horrible. These are the folks who are the first to cry foul when a woman breastfeeds in public because they’re so fucked up about bodies and sexuality they see naked bodies as dirty. It appals me that any woman who needs to feed her baby should be forced to walk around or sit in public with a cloth hiding what they’re doing, ‘shrouding’ the baby’s face as its ‘table manners are so unpalatable. Filthy minded religious folk. If the women are happy to do it, it’s their choice. No need to pull up a chair, but no need to cry foul either.

    – Esme showing her teeth upon the Cloud

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    1. I see teeth!! What a perfect segue to body shame. What happens with this is nature takes over and the kids wind up sexually active in secret. One lady I read about convinced her family she was still a virgin and delivered a baby boy. They believed her. Welcome to Christianity. It was a nice lie, probably saved her life, and now we get to live with it. All because of the shame game.

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  13. Sex Ed for kids would reduce the incidence of rapes and sexual assaults greatly. Removing wanton violence from TV and movies would reduce bullying, murders, assaults, etc. But that would not be profitable. It’s not just religion, it’s capitalism. The right to make money trumps everything.

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    1. Excellent points. How many children have been literally caught by the surprise of molestation, not even conceiving what was happening to them? Assailants grooming the victim, sometimes for years of abuse without the child knowing that it was not normal. Good points rg.

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  14. It sounds pleasing to you all because somehow, you (each and everyone of you who agree to Jim’s ideas on The Blood & person of Jesus) don’t have understanding on this subject. Well we seem to live in a world that promises freedom from the things which are of utmost importance, thereby, blinding people’s eyes to what’s truth. Keep the ball rolling.

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    1. I for one, embraced the entire fabrication for many years. I understand it very well. Whatever you believe for your religion, the blood imagery and murder is shock value and traumatic indoctrination too gruesome to lay at the feet of 6 year olds. In this case, he already knew the story so well I’m certain he was exposed much earlier. Immoral

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    2. No…it sounds pleasing to you to pretend like we don’t understand the subject, because that allows you to maintain your beliefs. Are you saying it’s impossible to understand the concept of sacrifice and redemption without showing a bloody figure hanging on a cross? Also are you arguing that a 6 year old truly understands what he’s saying when he decries that he has the blood of Jesus Christ all over him? You do realize children can be brainwashed into any belief system at that age, this isn’t some “truth” that the 6 year old sought out on his own to understand.

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      1. You have a point there. Very true that it seems to be some imposing of believes on the child. But there is some sense of responsibility that such knowledge bestows on the child. It may seem absurd to the ‘world’ but the child sure has something that if he/she holds fast to, will kip him/her from many errors in the course if life

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    3. 1) Calling out such barbarism is not “pleasing” to me, or to any of us, in the least.
      2) I am not “agreeing” with Jim. None of us are. We make my own informed choices, thank you.
      3) Suggesting that none of us understand the subject? Do you know our histories? Can you read our minds?
      4) Exposing young hearts and minds to this stuff is terrorism. The imagery is bad enough, but the “God loves you, but you better love him back!” message is child abuse.

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        1. The hell it doesn’t look traumatic! What church do you belong to? I’ve seen these statues (idols) that rival a scene from passion of the Christ. You should wander around the internet and see for yourself if you haven’t.

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          1. I am no catholic. I really have issues with most of their doctrines and practices. But in this side of the world, We don’t see the bloody guy hanging on the cross. But in most cases, it’s just a cross with a piece of cloth cos He ain’t still on the cross.

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  16. I have the same visceral reaction as many on here. I would argue that the fact that the kid blurted out is proof he doesn’t really understand what he’s talking about, and that his parents have simply indoctrinate him to shout it out based on some premise like “liberal schoolteachers want you to be ashamed of your faith because they hate Christians so show them you are proud of your faith”. I mean what is said isn’t appropriate in the least. I am quite certain that my son at some point will blurt out there is no Santa Claus to other children (just as I did as a 5 year old) but I will at least be instructing him not to blurt that out… even though it is true that there is no Santa Claus.

    I agree that this is child abuse. If a parent were showing a child mouldings of tortured people that weren’t Jesus…even if they were of good people who were wrongly killed I am quite certain that I would considered a horrible parent. But if you use a mythical divine being, then that makes it okay? Bullshit.

    There is nothing that states what’s wrong with Christianity in this country when symbols and images of a blood tortured Jesus are acceptable to learn about, but their own bodies is not.

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    1. In most modern civility, you couldn’t even skin a cat or hang a bloody, whipped and dying animal taxidermy of any kind in front of any group. But put a crown of thorns in its head and it’s ok.

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      1. It is actually child abuse to show porn to your children although not abuse to show them the naked human form. Which I agree with, because the way pornography might shape how a child thinks of or treats women is most definitely a concern, as well as the blurry area of consent that pornography can represent. However telling them about a the Bible in which a man is the post powerful being in the universe in which everyone is supposed to worship while the most prominent female character in the bible is responsible for casting humans out of paradise is perfectly sensible.

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  17. Wow… that is a creepy picture!

    How did your wife reacts to this statement? (if this is covered in the comments just let me know and I’ll find it)

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    1. She has developed a real talent for moving-on through those types of comments with the kids she has. She said “oh kaaay” that was random! Moving on the the vena cava…

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  18. yes. I remmber this post now. What a gross picture of that kid! Sinful and sick. How do kids indoctrinated like this EVER get out of it? Many do. I read the stories on blogs like yours, but, damn, kids should NOT be put through this kinda crap.

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