There are no Spiritual Realms

Through discovery we gradually see it’s all a physical phenomenon

As we discover deeper and deeper into the quantum field, our understanding expands and we gradually grasp the nature of nature and its building properties.

Is the electricity that powers your toaster “metaphysical”? We have harnessed its potential and understand how to manipulate its properties, but really don’t know much about what it actually is. Is the free movement of these electrons that constitutes an electric current supernatural? Of course not. Is the electric currents that flow through the universe, that are perceived more intently by some than others, a supernatural phenomenon? Certainly not. We can read many of these impulses and feelings in the EEG.

The only spiritual realms or “non physical” worlds are just not discovered and quantified yet. We are still a superstitious lot, but when we master these principles—not by viewing them with our eyes but by manipulating them with our genius, we will see the universe is all a matter of matter. Understanding sometimes takes time—I’ll wait.

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Author: jimoeba

Alternatives to big box religions and dogmas

73 thoughts on “There are no Spiritual Realms”

        1. Funny how times have changed and the search gets more and more technical, while the supernatural becomes more and more obscure. We still have our modern superstitions but the window is getting smaller with understanding. 300 years ago god and devils lived in the mountains. Now they live in a thimble.

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  3. Yeah, One credible piece of information about the “spiritual realm,” or should I say “ghostial realm,” would be nice. Things that go bump in the night and other phantasms shouldn’t be given automatic reality passes just because so many people believe.

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        1. How many neuro-anomalies could be explained by the temperature change alone of walking into a basement? There are literally a thousand better reasons to “feel” a presence or see a ghost in your own fickle mind, than to see one that is actually what you think it is.

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  4. Well, Jim, you already know I can never agree with you on this one, and you know why. I am not going to rehash experiences already rehashed too many times. I like and respect you anyways, as you know. Someday one of us won’t discover the other one was totally wrong…

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    1. Haha. I didn’t forget you. I have a lot of thoughts and I write them here. Isn’t it probable that as we understand matter and dimensions we will find it’s all physical. Just like everything in history that has been explained by discovery, this will too.

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      1. It is possible, but highly improbable. I will not say that the “world” I experienced was not based on some kind of matter, it may well have been. But is that kind of matter diecoverable from our reality? First one would have to acknowledge it is possible in order to just theorize how one would go about looking for it. Then it would require a viable approach to finding it. That would likely cause a whole new science to have to be invented. No one has the time or the tenacity to do that, at least not in our present society. So one would have to create a whole new society.
        Ah, I better shut up before I come up with a whole new reason for war, and bigotry. We have enough of those all over our world already.
        Since I do not have the ability to create the new society, it is best I just shut up and leave my clues hidden in unapproachable spaces. The world is not ready for them at present…

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  5. And one day Jim — unless we radical superstitious lot annihilate ourselves and most other species or the entire planet that sustains ALL life — we and science will know what governs Quarks and Leptons. For example, though physics and Quantum Mechanics are still in their infancy or adolescence, we ARE getting to know/understand why Protons have 2,000 times more mass than Electrons! That day is coming! And we are essentially on the verge of creating Super-Quantum computers… that will possibly/probably unlock Consciousness (in the Cosmos) itself! 😮 HOLY GRAF ZEPPELIN!!! utters Robin to Batman.

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  6. Arthur C. Clarke once said something to the effect that any sufficiently advanced scientific technology would be indistinguishable from magic to those not familiar with it. And he’s largely right on several different levels. We human beings want – no, must have an explanation for the things we see and experience. But if we do not seen an obvious explanation, or one that fits into our view of the world and educational experience, many of us are still quick to attribute the reasons for the phenomena to some supernatural realm. But if there is no explanation that we know of for a phenomena, all it means is that we have yet to discover the actual cause, not that there is some force or entity that lies outside of reality that is fiddling with things. Where the real problem comes in is when people become so invested, so obsessed with their own personal explanation for a phenomena, that they are unwilling or unable to accept new evidence that contradicts their beliefs.

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    1. …any sufficiently advanced scientific technology would be indistinguishable from magic to those not familiar with it.

      Stephen Hawking proved this many times Grouchy. I remember in his PBS Genius series he did just that with 3 ‘regular’ guests he had on one episode. It was the levitating, spinning saucers, but can’t remember the specific title of that episode at the moment. Wonderful comment sir. 🙂

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      1. That is a good comment. He’s a lot smarter than he looks. Hehe. Remember when the priests of Baal were exterminated by the burning “water”. I would venture a guess that is about when kerosene was distilled. And I’d be right.

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          1. Lol. I’ll find an older post I did on the subject. I know it’s a reach, but “if” it even really happened it was no miracle but a terrorist attack and murder.

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            1. Thanx for the link, and the explanation. I only recently ran into this passage, and didn’t understand the context. I just thought that it was another bullshit Bible lie – something that never actually happened. I didn’t see the technological/chemical assistance.
              So, first comes the deceit, followed by fire and the sword. This is the bloodthirsty heritage to the Christianity that we know and love so much. 😯 🙄

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            2. Sure. They fucking slaughtered them and turned on the deal. Happened a lot. I see all these correlations because I used to defend it. Gawd, I was a prick, but I know every friggin verse. Makes my job easy. Hehe.

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          3. Archon, I’m afraid — if I’m remembering correctly here — that there are only two methods of watching that outstanding series: 1) join PBS online. I believe they have it available for members. Or 2) purchase the DVD/Blueray via PBS Shop Online. :/

            HAH! Even Public Broadcasting Station and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (free stuff?) is now no longer “FREE.” These days, what is? Hell, even air/oxygen we breath is no longer free!!! 🙄😒

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        2. Either that or he’d been eating at that dodgy food truck again. I worked a job installing a new POS system in grocery store in one of the less reputable districts in Milwaukee and made the mistake of eating at the food truck out in the parking lot and I experienced “burning water” first hand. (shudder)

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          1. I’ve learned my lesson too. I was never pissin fire, but I could shit through a screen door and not hit the mesh. Ah the food truck. A bit like skydiving. What a rush!

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  7. Supernatural is a Latin word, but only came to be used from the Christian period onward. Its first documented use that I know of was by a Christian, it is not to be found in real, Classical Latin. It is just from super(above, over) and naturalis(from a group of words related to birth, with a wider context of describing “how a thing is”). “Supra natura” is another way to put it, also used by Christians first as far as I know. The word requires a dichotomy between “nature” which is inferior and something “supernatural” which is superior.

    I have not seen any good definitions of “natural”, let alone what is “supernatural”. That now natural just means “quantifiable and controllable” or “something understood” reflects the current common worldview.

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    1. So if I’m spiritual I’m above nature? Seems logical that it would be the other way around. What is it about us that gives more value to things we don’t know than the things we do? Hard to live in the moment. Always looking ahead it behind.

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      1. I have used the word supernatural before, but I should be more careful about how I use words. It is another way that Christian dualistic thinking has wormed its way into our language and thought.

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    2. to the ordinary mind, turning water into wine may see ‘supernatural’.
      Einstein himself had banished from the universe every fixed reality except that of light. Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington wrote in the ‘The Nature of the Physical World’:
      “The frank realization that physical science is concerned with a world of shadows is one of the most significant advances… to put it crudely, he said, the stuff of the world is mind-stuff”.

      The mind who, through perfected meditation, has merged his consciousness with cosmic consciousness perceives the cosmical essence as light (vibrations of life energy); to him there is no difference between the light rays composing water and light rays composing land. Free from matter-consciousness, free from the 3 dimensions of space and the 4th dimension of time, the person transfers his body of light with equal ease over or through the light rays of earth, water, fire and air.

      The law of miracles is operable by any man who has realized that the essence of creation is light.

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    1. Spirituality is an act of making holy the voids in human perceptions. Or you could say, “this is like dejavú—I’ve heard that before…before”

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    1. No worries. I am merely investigating extremes. You come in pretty handy with your pitchforks! On the matter of matter, we are barely here at all so maybe your 99.99999% correct.

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    2. Now hang on one cotten-pickin’ minute Monica!!! 😉 😛

      Spirituality and their realms exist wholeheartedly — or is that wholebrainly? — in my neural synapses, often I see them AND hear them… sometimes FEEL them when I’m in the shower singing and getting goose-bumps and other rises!!! So to ME the divine is QUIET REAL! It’s all over me AND in me!!! 😈

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      1. The neurology is pretty convincing. We can manually manipulate spirituality and even touch emotion and mimic it with lies. If we meditate long enough we go into the vast imaginations of meaning. Not really a bad thing on a personal level, but Marshal Applewhite comes to mind—through my astute meditations and quick memory recall, of course.

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        1. Correct. In fact, I believe at Stanford or 1 of those top-acclaimed universities in California (my memory is overloaded with too much divine circuses! sorry!), their Neurology department/School has been manipulating ‘the God’ part of our brains for several (many?) years now. Results are pretty much the same:

          “God” (or an individual’s version of It/Him/Her) is in our heads, not out there.

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          1. Oh, and mix THAT with a 120,000 year evolutionary Herd-mentality…

            Voilà!!!! Gods… of every make and kind… WITHIN a tribe, community, or region. Ironically, exactly the way we have it today! 😉 😈

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  10. I don’t believe that there are no “spiritual realms”. I maintained that as a teenager until I experienced things firsthand that I cannot explain. What’s worse, I’m not the only one who did. Half a dozen people, same report, no explanations. If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it leaves the possibility of remnants in the form of entropy.

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    1. Maybe. Be curious to hear your story if you have time, or a link to a post you’ve done would be excellent. I lean towards the unexplained as just that, for now. Part of what gets me is the human mind is so unreliable and susceptible to deception.

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  11. What I am wondering, is if there is anything that all would agree to be “supernatural”. I am sure people could come up with plenty of examples. Healing a disease with an incantation or even a touch, for example. But what if the person who did the healing gave some explanation in terms of numbers, equations, and mechanisms? It would not seem so supernatural if you knew exactly how it worked, according to the way people think now. That is what the line about “sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic” amounts to. It does not really explain what the difference between supernatural and natural is supposed to be.

    Back when Isaac Newton put forward his theory of gravity, it was criticized by some because it did not involve some mechanistic explanation. “Occult force” was how it was described, occult meaning invisible in this case. That seemed too much like a “magical explanation” to thinkers of that day who had a more mechanistic view of the world. How could a theory of gravity involving invisible “force” acting instantly between objects and at a distance be plausible at all? And aside from actual relations between objects expressed in mathematics and observation, when has anyone actually seen gravity itself? I can see why some were skeptical of Newton. And even if the math lines up(based on what is known at the time), that doesn’t mean much. The geocentric model of Ptolemy did a good enough job at the time of accounting for the positions of the planets, their motion, and making predictions of events in the heavens.

    But no one thinks of something so strange as “gravity” as supernatural or “occult” or strange nowadays, because we are told it is normal. More fanciful scientific ideas like wormholes, quantum entanglement, particle teleportation, the multiverse, and so on are not considered “magical” or “supernatural” either, because of the way they are presented.

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    1. Certainly worth explaining if it can be explained. There is a Catholic blog I follow that posted about a miracle where a girl grew a new bladder. I posted my reply and an article about the amazing regenerative properties of bladders and that it’s not that unusual. Some people regrow appendixes too, and so forth. He was very upset! “No, it was a miracle”, he said. He knew it because of a documentary he read, in a Christian publication no doubt. People want it to be supernatural. That’s part of the problem.

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      2. Octopi, starfish, and lizards have amazing regenerative ability. They can grow back limbs or even most of their body. Maybe those creatures could all be classed as supernatural.

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  12. Got it, Jim. It’s all a matter of matter. Does that matter? What’s a matter you? There is enough awesome shit to amaze and impress us without the woo-woo bs of needing it to be beyond nature. And yes OW, atheists can experience the awe and wonder of it all.

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    1. Finding what actually makes it all work? What a rush. Swimming upstream to the source, the spring, the aquifer, the volume of discovery waiting to actually be known is astonishing.

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    1. No spiritual reasons. Just the observation that nothing in religion equals what we’re taught without making a lot of assumptions and excuses. A god that requires people to tell us about him is not as self evident as a god would be.

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  14. There is matter and there is consciousness. Consciousness that is original and pure flows through the cosmos holding everything together. There is many things that probably science won’t be able to prove, but only experienced though proper guided mediation or intuition.

    Supernatural is a term used to probably describe something that cannot be explained with our limited knowledge. Just like a tribal person won’t be able to understand a modern man when he speaks to someone remote with cellphone, we may not understand all the intricacies of nature.

    All the best and true love.

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    1. Thank you. I think part of the problem is people having the “spiritual” experience without the proper mediation and perspective, then interpret this oneness with”the father”, the source energy and consciousness of the universe, and lay claim to it based on the Hebrew I AM, which in itself is a misrepresentation. It’s actually all of us that are able to have the connection, but who really has time anymore, so they sign on to the prepackaged dogmas that continue to fail humanity.

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      1. Well stated, Jim. Religion is keen on indoctrinating the very young because when we do have that (or those) spiritual experiences, the tendency is to ascribe it to the learned dogma. It takes commitment and hard mental work to then break away from our false assumption and consider the experience as what it is meant to be: a sign of a personal step of awakening to a greater reality. Religion falsely lays claim to that greater reality when in fact all it is, is another forceful (dictatorial) adjunct of the controlling Matrix of powers we live under. We endure this Matrix of powers as (to use rawgod’s terminology) God, Government, Gold, what I call the evil trinity of powers.

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  15. I keep reminding myself to make a list of all the scientists who were involved in spirituality of one kind or another – I’ll get around to one day. The ones that come to mind are Newton alchemist who did or did not (depends on who you ask) provide the basis for a particle bumping universe. Then there was William Crookes chemist, the first to build a particle accelerator and much more. Incidentally he did all the work for JJ Thomson’s electron discovery and Nobel prize.
    On another point, the true nature of electricity was known over a hundred years ago by Steinmetz, Tesla again Thomson, Russell and a handful of others. Unfortunately it’s not the one taught in college today – now there’s progress. History is a useful thing.

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    1. Yes. Even scientist can make faith statements. I simply post my ideas, but have evolved in my thinking since I wrote this. There may very well be something “spiritual” and if you find any evidence of it I’m interested, of course.
      There is also good evidence of a data stream and a continuation of life. I have trouble identifying how the part of me that is not “I” in the sense of muscular strain, could ever die. I can never, not be, but death and life are so poorly defined. I have some ideas I think can stand up to scrutiny, but first you have to accept the ideas of what we actually are, need to be adjusted.

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  16. Hi jim- thanks for the reply. There were ‘things’ going on when I wrote the first post, not my best effort. There is a whole library of books on the subject of “near death experience”. Then there is ‘remote viewing’ and the experiences of some of the US military personnel out of the body. I tried this myself and it works. You have to be careful what you read because much of it has been debunked by those who have an agenda to do so. Finding out what you are is a very worthwhile experience that I recommend. It’s about abandoning pre conceived ideas. The bottom line is that you have to genuinely want to do it and you have to do it for yourself.
    There is a huge difference between spirituality and religion.

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    1. Certainly refreshing to be able to discuss ideas openly without an agenda. I agree and have determined to avoid the experts in my journey. I’ve yet to read an atheist book nor do I watch their videos. My work is my own to discuss. I am certainly an atheist, but that is not the last stop on the track. Atheism is simply an awakening. Through unbelief the biases disintegrate and the world of possibilities opens wide.

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