Denaturing Faith—A Return to Civility

Reversing the poles on the world of faith

“A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand“—Bertrand Russell

Isn’t it amusing that so many faithful cannot connect a line of simple dots outside their own beliefs, but think they’re smart enough to know the Christian conundrums are the true gospel of god?

They act like we have never read the material—but if we only hear it enough ways (their interpretation of the clever mans intent) finally, we’ll understand. I don’t believe Christianity because I don’t understand it, I don’t believe it because I do understand it.

By appealing first to faith, anything is possible in the world of religion and decent men have risen to horrible because of it. It demands no scrutiny nor reason, and is simply true because they want it to be, especially when the merciless belief pandemics have had their strongest hold.

We should all be wicked if we did not hold to the Christian religion. It seems to me that the people who have held to it have been for the most part extremely wicked. You find this curious fact, that the more intense has been the religion of any period and the more profound has been the dogmatic belief, the greater has been the cruelty and the worse has been the state of affairs. In the so-called ages of faith, when men really did believe the Christian religion in all its completeness, there was the Inquisition, with all its tortures; there were millions of unfortunate women burned as witches; and there was every kind of cruelty practiced upon all sorts of people in the name of religion.

You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step toward the diminution of war, every step toward better treatment of the colored races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world”—Bertrand Russell

Who now is left to resist the principle of faith that has proven time and again to be the catalyst for ordinary men to be horrible. Fortunately the religion is now so watered down it has proven incapable of enforcement, but that doesn’t keep them from trying to get us back to where we were. The dark ages were not torturous because of unfaithfulness, but because people really believed it.


Author: jimoeba

Alternatives to big box religions and dogmas

29 thoughts on “Denaturing Faith—A Return to Civility”

    1. There are some real “gotcha” arguments for god that on first glance are quite clever, but after brief contemplation we see it’s not really so clever after all.

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  1. Great stuff by Bertrand Russell. Not a bad effort by Jim either 😉

    It has been my understanding for many years now that, well it was summed up in one of the quotes, that religion itself is quite probably the single largest perpetrator of evils both now and throughout history. Either directly or indirectly through legislative efforts.

    If only us poor damn atheists understood religion we might find it appeals to us.

    Understanding religion is why we are atheists.

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    1. What solidified it for me was the outcomes—it never produces the desired results. But really, if there were such a thing as evil, the victors wrote the narrative and the winners were far from the good guys. That is why so much effort goes into explaining it just so…because it makes no sense at face value to the apologist either. People inherently know better, but the crowd is a powerful force.

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        1. … and sometimes when you begin to walk away, the answer is… “No, wait, wait, wait, I know you believe you understand what you think I said but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!”

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    1. People still believe that shit. 🙄 I read a post recently where the author claimed that humans don’t live as long now as in Bible times, because demons deteriorate the body. 😳 I told her that they also deteriorate some minds. 😆

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      1. That’s actually a very good point if they want to follow that line of thought. I suppose it only affects “other people” though.


  2. “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (KJV) Without to ability to analyze this scriptural statement I once thought it was truly deep. Then I exposed it to the light of understanding and today I see it as one of, maybe the most, dangerous and deleterious statement in all of the Bible. Faith becomes the ultimate justification for any kind of psychopathic or sociopathic activity.

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    1. It is one of the most quotable verses ever. I think the more a verse is quoted the more it deserves this type of analysis. This whole train wreck could be spawned out of 5-6 verses…or is it 3-16?


      1. John 3:16? Yes, another deadly quote which when properly analyzed with a degree of intelligence, becomes an absolute contradiction. “But ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die…”

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        1. It bemuses the world to think god talks to them, making them special but insisting we believe when god has never contacted me the way he favors them. I don’t hear things when life gets tough, nor do I have visions when crisis strikes. Who can blame me when god made me with bulletproof neurons?


          1. The best way I found to related to any/all “god” talk is to keep in mind that “god” as assumed to be real by faith people, is/are psychopathic. I studied the Bible (a requirement) and observed the performance of “god” people and that is how I arrived at my personal understanding, that “god” no matter how understood or interpreted, was, is, and will remain, a psychopathic construct.

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            1. While in most fields the cream will rise to the top, but religion produces more polyhydroxybutyrate that isn’t fit for anything but more religious packaging. So essentially whey is waste to cheese as religion is waste to humanity, having to create new markets for the abundance of garbage to dissipate. (I know that was random. Haha)


            2. According to my understanding (thanks for the headache!) religion has a lot in common with politics and capitalism-always on a quest for new markets for its garbage.

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  3. “…unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand“ OMG. I’ve lived through this experience personally. I speak–and I’m confident it’s the English language–and one of the faithful translates what I said in his mind, and what comes out is a response so non sequitur and incomprehensible that I’ve given up talkin’ to these people!!!

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  4. Folks, I realize that I’m supposed to be off the internet, but I have no self-discipline. 🙂

    I’m trying to put my Christian bias aside and look at this objectively. I don’t want to just be an “explainer.”

    But, truly, looking objectively at the overall teachings of Christ, not just taking a verse here and there, let’s face it, how did people get from “love your enemies,” to the destruction of the Native Americans or some of these other evils.

    You see, is the problem with the Christian faith or actually a lack and failure of genuine Christian ethics and faith.

    What other factors are also coming into play, the corrupting influence of absolute power, superstition, the general culture of the time, fear, a need to control, etc.???

    To be fair, I’ve read histories relating to the Dark Ages, for example, that detail ways that the church actually was also a light in the culture and kept learning alive. Could the Dark Ages have been even darker without any Christian influence at all?

    Anyway, for me, this is not so cut and dry. At the very least, it’s a mixed bag.

    Ok, back to my Lenten disciplines. LOL Lord, help me to stay off social media.

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    1. There are several answers to this question, here’s one. First Becky (good morning) there are a handful of the very scriptures that instigate this totalitarian way of the church. But the Bible putting unbelief as a heinous sin (Jn 16:9) while presenting a story that is quite frankly, unbelievable. Then goes on to say that in the end, EVERY knee will bow and every tongue confess allegiance to god. (That’s pretty ugly for anyone to demand of another in any setting) This is part of the set up. What could Jesus possibly have said to make people grow into zealots from the top to the bottom? The closer they get to the actual prize, the greater the urgency? People torturing others, even hitting their own children over belief? The appeal to faith and the definition of it is a mind game that is unsolvable while actually believing it.
      The Bible also goes on to demean inquiry by providing answers to questions that have a certain smugness about them, especially claiming that the creation all around us in every way is evidence for their god. No other process is tolerable it’s so obvious. It’s simply appealing to itself as authority when there are legitimate claims that also have evidence to support them.


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