What Really Was The Good News?

What was the good news and where did it go?

The awareness of full consciousness—that same ethereal beginning that has been the primer for many religions, cultures, counter cultures, shaman, and silent men and women since time immemorial, has dominated the landscape of thought since man could put into words.

Since the religion is now and forever about following Jesus instead of his message, shows his followers did not understand “the good news” any more than the modern day followers of Jesus. Then, shortly after his death, the intellectual transfer to the stupor of faith, counterfeited the mystery to carefully guard the irrelevance of the church. Now “ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth“. Welcome to belief in faith.

The early church opted for idol worship and sequestered Jesus—the only true son of god, which stopped the real gospel in its tracks. We certainly can’t have anyone else running around like gods, can we? So for now we simply have been persuaded we can never measure up, relegating ourselves to hoping for grace—which was never the point. But alas, now you can never compare yourself to Jesus no matter what the effort—or be the heretic, for only He and god are one, but that too, was never the point.

When Christianity institutionalized Jesus as the one, it essentially ensured castration—the gospel will never usher in the kingdom of god on earth—so we have look elsewhere.

So what secret was he trying to reveal? It had to be subtle, for like so many others that claimed I AM were put to death by revealing what we really are—showing how ignorance can easily blaspheme the truth.

 John 10:34—”Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the a Son of God?” (In the Greek he is a son of God, not the son of god. Italics in the KJV delineates translator interpolation, not emphasis—and in this case incorrectly. A son of god means our immortal existence is a coexistence of equals, not a monarchy. We are all of the same status, and deep down I think most of us (you) know this.

The term “son of god” in the original context implies “equal in nature and authority to god”.

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The ultimate reality—that all of us are each the cosmic whole. The great mystics have all seen this. This is the central mystery Jesus wanted us to see.

Although writers are constrained by the language and religious bias of their culture (using familiar terms like father, and He) Jesus was one who knew the game and that universal and everlasting life is wonderfully crafted and masterfully—us

This ideal state of intellectual and ethereal perfection can be achieved by mankind through purely human means that takes no belief to achieve—for it is a method that can be taught. But who will listen? Certainly not me, the sinner. I could never be like god, so follow the leader we must?

But the things he did we were also to do—“even greater things than these“, but we’ll never do it when we substitute our true nature for faith and idol worship.

So here we are. Here I AM, as those who know have known for a long time. There is no monarchial boss or patriarchal authority. It is an endless happening. Life is what we do. It is what we are.

The good news is not simply that Jesus was a son of god, but to open everyone’s eyes that they are too. Equal measures of the whole thing. I and the ethereal are one. It doesn’t help that the word ‘God’ has been hijacked to mean what it means. If we’re going to participate as who we actually are, a new word would help.

If I were to believe in god, I never will see it nor be it.

The Christian definitions of god and father hierarchy are at odds with the experience. If you were to get a peek behind the curtain and see that it is you—you are the whole thing, you would look at people differently, knowing full well that they are too, but they haven’t learned how to grasp it? Wouldn’t that make you smile, knowing how simply and effectively we have fooled ourselves for the moment? That there is no hierarchy or intimate bosses taking notes on your behavior?

But really, this is all a necessary component of the physical experience. If everybody recognized this we’d have the kingdom of god on earth. That would be silly to have it “be done on earth as it is in heaven”. So we stick with faith and worship the messenger instead of experience the whole of the message. It can’t possibly be our doing, can it? That would mean personal responsibility. We’d rather follow the gurus which is obvious because that’s what humans do—look outside themselves for validation.

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50 thoughts on “What Really Was The Good News?”

  1. This is so well said. I’ll share it with my journey companion. There are portions that are “direct quotes” from our narrative that show up in the discussion.

    “… It was the circular path that felt so familiar every time around the arena. Faith will keep you in, but real faith will open the gate—total trust in letting go”
    Our analogy was a stock car race track. Another time it was eddies in a stream.
    and this:
    “The good news is not simply that Jesus was a son of god, but to open everyone’s eyes that they are too.”

    We no longer dismiss the religious confederations of people as bad though blind but as part of the whole and integral to our journey as a whole. “They are us.” If we have come to a certain understanding of reality then we are the priest interceding for the soul being held down by a wrathful deity.

    Jesus said “Love your enemy” and I don’t think this is abstract. Rather it’s an imperative and love is a felt emotion. This kind of love is not easily come to. And I can’t dismiss the shell that has to be broken to realize it, and thus realize how juvenile my love is.

    I enjoyed he first flush of freedom from religious constructs only to find that it was the beginning of true my education for the true work of being.

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    1. Thanks Frederic. One thing about loving your enemies? Not much creates more and greater enemies than religion. Belief neurologically fuels political division as well.

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      1. It’s never been a secret: if you believe IN something, anything, you are committed to defend it to the death – first the death of the unbeliever, and if necessary, your own death and that of your loved ones or fellow believers. So it behooves a religion to either be the superior force or power, or to side with one. If you are the weakest and are persecuted and die, your blood becomes that of martyrs (in religious tales and mythology) which is a form of sowing of dragons’ teeth, giving rise to endless conflict.

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  2. The Yellow Emperor (Huangdi) invented many arts and organized a whole culture. He eventually ascended to heaven in front of a crowd of his people. This story was passed down from distant antiquity to the ancient Chinese, and multiple groups within Chinese religion/philosophy had different views. Some considered the Yellow Emperor to be an earthly manifestation of a god. Others considered him a god-man, or a man who cultivated the Dao and reached godhood. Others revered him as a great man and an ancestor spirit, but tended to rationalize the more miraculous aspects of his life. Some today think he never existed.

    The ancient Egyptians believed that all who passed though the Duat and in the end had their heart balance with Maat became a god(neter). Those that went the furthest would reach the top and join the solar barge of Ra himself, and become part of the workings of the cosmos. The latter were typically high ranking people in life, but everyone worshiped their divine ancestors in Egypt. These ideas went on to have a huge influence in late antiquity, with theurgic Neoplatonism and Hermeticism, both of which teach a path of deification.

    In Hinduism, the ultimate goal of many sects is to become a god, or to realize one’s identity with Brahman. The distant ancestors and the sages who organized the Vedic ritual system and spread the esoteric teachings all became gods. At the end of the Mahabharata, many of the main characters go to Swarga(heaven) and become gods. The Rbhus were mortals who became gods through their excellent crafts. I would say that even the offshoot religions like Buddhism and Jainism have a similar core idea.

    In many “shamanic” religions, like that of the Mongols, or Siberian peoples, or African peoples(Vodou is a good example), and even the ancient peoples of Europe, the primordial shamans and ancestors ascended to godhood. Some examples are remote stories about the first shaman who ascended bodily to heaven. Others were named culture heroes that brought some useful thing to the people. In Vodou, ancestors are worshiped, and an end goal is to become a god(that might take many incarnations). I could list many more examples, it would be easier to list the exceptions. Most cultures believed humans(or their specific people at least) to be descended from gods. It makes more sense in this kind of worldview, that over time human spirits can reach the point where they are gods. Many cultures do not even have a different term for “soul”, “spirit”, and “deity”, they are the same word.

    In Judaism(outside of Kabbalah), there is only a vague remnant of ideas like this. I think it was there at one point, but the priests that wrote the Tanakh were opposed. That would not be a big problem for Christianity, except that Christians think those writings were actually divine revelation, not the fabrications of Jewish priests. There is no afterlife in the Old Testament, just prayers begging to be saved from death. The reason why “resurrection” took hold as an idea among some Jews later on is because the main teaching had been that death was a dirt nap, or a dissolution into Sheol. Early Christianity taught the same, which is why it promised physical immortality in the future to believers, just like the Pharisees did. This reconciled the lack of an afterlife in the texts with the promise of a future life.

    I am skeptical of “theosis” ideas in Christianity. They did not even have the guts to canonize some of the Jewish writings that do show deification of a mortal figure, like the Book of Enoch. Most Christians(there are exceptions) that were influential on what became later Christianity held a sin and atonement view of Christian doctrine, and they did so for a reason. Deification smacked of mystery religions, of polytheism, and of gnostic heresy. Sin and atonement, however, was a purely Jewish focus that they could easily justify with the texts they chose. The main message of the Old Testament is to obey the rules listed in it, or else. Being like god is never mentioned as a good thing, if anything it is very bad. Yahweh is shown as wary of humans, lying to them, not wanting them to become immortal, and not wanting them united in purpose either.

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    1. There was another issue I was going to bring up, and another view. Aside from deification, there is also an ancient belief of the gods as gatekeepers. By that I mean the gods get in the way of people on the path to apotheosis. The gods put all sorts of obstacles in the way, and try to sabotage such people. I think there are several ways of expressing this idea.

      If you look at Greek mytho-historic figures that became gods or cultic heroes(the next level down from a god), there is a common pattern. These heroes suffered in their lives in earth, often because of things done by the gods. Herakles suffered his whole life, from things the gods put in his way, from betrayals of others, and a few times because of his own actions. Asclepios healed people, invented medical treatments, and even learned how to raise the dead. Asclepius was struck down by Zeus for raising the dead(this was against order), but at the same time deified because of his excellence. Orpheus was torn to pieces by a frenzied crowd of women, and failed to bring his wife back to life because he hastily broke the command of Hades. Achilles was struck down because of Apollo helping Paris(mainly because of a past offense of Achilles). The first man who brought winemaking to the Greeks(he was taught by Dionysus as a gift) was killed because people thought that he poisoned them(they mistook being drunk for being poisoned). There were some exceptions to this. Generally if you were exceptional, you would have a hard time, I think that was the idea.

      In Hinduism, if there is any person practicing tapasya(translated as penances often, literally meaning gathering heat) or otherwise cultivating some other path(as a warrior or meditator usually), they will eventually get the attention of the gods. And when they do get the attention of the gods, the gods throw obstacles in their path. Indra is well known for stories where he sabotaged the tapasya of various sages, often by tempting them away from it. Shiva(or Rudra) often is often shown appearing to people doing rites or meditations aimed at him in unconventional ways. Arjuna spent some time meditating on Shiva, hoping for divine weapons. When Shiva finally did answer, he appeared in such a way that Arjuna ended up getting into a fight with the god(he did not recognize the god). Shiva ended up being impressed with Arjuna’s courage, because even though the “mysterious stranger” kept outdoing Arjuna, he never gave up. There are also some famous stories of Vishnu testing whether or not someone really meant to keep their word. In the some parables from the Upanishads, the gods act as literal gatekeepers for one seeking enlightenment. They will test and put obstacles in the way of the one attempting to reach Brahma’s realm. Also in the Upanishads, Yama(god of the ancestral afterlife) would not teach a brahmin youth that came to him until after the youth refused all the offers Yama made. Yama offered him wealth, power, and the esteem of society, so the youth would go away and give up on receiving teachings, but none of those offers were accepted.

      In the Egyptian afterlife texts, there are obstacles in the way of the soul in the Duat(where dead people go). Malevolent deities(that will attack or confine), gatekeeper gods that the soul has to pass, and the divine judges that examine various aspects of the departed soul. In one text, Horus and Set stop the soul and demand that the soul pick between them in their conflict. And aside from those, the Duat is depicted kind of like a dream world where all sorts of things can happen and all sorts of obstacles appear(like a lake of fire, or a dangerous mire). For example, for some reason the texts say that you have to know how to orient things there to even get around, or avoid having everything be upside down. Overcoming all of the obstacles is required to become a god.

      I could go on about the theme. It exists all over the place, though sometimes not as emphasized. It would not be that hard to interpret some of the Old Testament stories as examples of this “gatekeeping” theme. Some gnostic sects and strands of later mystical Judaism did just that. They interpreted Yahweh throwing out the first humans from the garden as a challenge to overcome, necessary for real growth(the “bread of shame” concept is an extant example). Some other more Gnostic strands took Yahweh himself as an obstacle to overcome, a demiurge that thought he was the highest god. Sometimes they held the view that Yahweh was there to “test”, but not a malevolent figure, but others did think he was malevolent. The former is oddly close to how modern Judaism views Satan. Much of this is incompatible with modern Christianity, it veered off that path a long time ago.

      Christians see the “Fall of Man” as a purely negative thing that has to be atoned for, and see the world as corrupt and a problem. They see “salvation” as something that is given purely for belief. It cannot be “earned” because humans are entirely unworthy and unable to do so. Christianity’s focus is on sin, while that was not the focus of any of the other traditions that I can think of. Even Judaism does not emphasize that so much. Also, Christianity sees the “opposing forces” as evil. This was not the case anywhere else. The gods and obstacles in the above examples were not considered evil. The obstacles and tests were and are considered good. Christianity has little room for a balanced view of things, it is all good, or else it is all evil. All “negative” things are labeled “evil”, even if they are necessary.

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      1. Well if the gods were involved, the appeal to faith if the greatest obstacle ever put in front of mankind—That through faith you could have the gods grace. Devastating. If they were real I don’t trust them. Wtd?
        Your comment here sounds a lot like the the experience Sha’Tara tells about. Her awakening in a vision. It’s interesting and I hope she pops in to comment.

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        1. I got your email, Jim, and came back to seriously read over K’s comments on various religious traditions and beliefs. I don’t (didn’t) know about much of that. I knew some of the shenanigans of the “gods” or man’s deities but never spent time analyzing how all that “stuff” came about. Everything has some basis in fact… even history (chuckle!). My awakening in a vision (which included a very definite/serious healing that changed my entire life) had nothing to do with gods, deities or divinities. According to Earthian labeling, you would call the healers and teachers who chose to come to me, aliens. They exist in real space/time. They have their home worlds but no earth-based history or tradition. They are not part of any pantheon, past, present, or future. They did a job, left instructions and after 20 years of “home schooling” they left, mission accomplished. If I were to use what I have been taught and what I know to start a following or a new religion a la Joseph Smith for example, that would violate every single point I learned on my way to… what exactly? A changed reality/a changed “me” into something better, something “improved” but strictly from my viewpoint. What I have become and continue to become does not seem much of an improvement to many people I have (since that intervention) interacted with. One such “improvement” is that I have no fear of death – not from bravado or acceptance that one out of one dies – but from the knowledge that it is a necessary coming of age ritual. This body MUST be given back to this earth if I am to evolve myself on the mental level. I walk a different path, a personal, private path. Experiences can be shared but not the path. That is what self empowerment means. That is my “response” in an inflated nutshell.

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    2. Quote: “Yahweh is shown as wary of humans, lying to them, not wanting them to become immortal, and not wanting them united in purpose either.” One could make much of that line – which I consider to be true by the way – by speaking of Yahweh, not as a god but as an alien master. He definitely feared people, doing everything in his power to either control them or annihilate then. He shortened their lives to 120 years (Gen. 6:3) and created massive confusion by messing up the unifying language (Gen. 11:7) My question (which the Teachers answered satisfactorily and logically) was always, ‘hey, how did he do that?’ Enter programming, a programming that continues to run practically unchecked to this day. How do you “dummy down” an intelligent species with the potential to think and act rationally when you don’t want them to ever do it? You maintain an over-riding control over their minds.

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  3. But the Buddha was wise to warn against worshiping the ‘form’- whether statues, or pictures, or the the cross, or Christ, any other representation of That.
    he said ‘the finger pointing at the moon, is NOT the moon”. the ultimate has no form, and cannot be named.
    “The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao;
    The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
    The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.”

    but people always take the form to be as Truth. and end up worshiping the man on the cross, and carrying false ideas like sin and right or wrong, moral or immoral, which cripples us for life.

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    1. Really with the training we get since our earliest time, who can blame anyone for not seeing this? It takes some serious unwinding of the way we’re taught to believe about ourselves and the purpose its pretty magical that anyone is able to swim out of it.

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  4. the essence is the same. in jesus or any other. only he knew it. and that Knowing makes the difference between mortal and immortal. the body is like an old shirt, and the personality is a concoction in our mind only, fickle like the weather

    jesus knew he is pure consciousness- that principle that is never born and never dies. in realizing that principle, one becomes god (or the whole).
    I AM the participant, creator and witness of life all in One. nothing is outside

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  5. The more I’ve looked back on the New Testament, the less I think there was any good news to be had in Jesus’s message. He was the original fire and brimstone preacher, and he also promised a quick mass resurrection to those who believed. There are many more messages in these texts which have been de-emphasized over the years to fit doctrinal requirements.

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    1. I think you know where I stand without prefacing every post with “if”, but I agree with you. The killer to the human brain was the appeal to faith

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    1. I’ve never know you to have trouble with words… but good point. A book written my men, for men, to retain self importance, maybe?

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  6. This ideal state of intellectual and ethical perfection can be achieved by mankind through purely human means that takes no belief to achieve—for it is a method that can be taught. But who will listen? Certainly not me, the sinner. I could never be like god, so follow the leader we must?

    I would say, Jim, this is probably one of the greater differences in our thinking. Christians believe that we know the love of God through the self emptying of God through the incarnation, and that through our unity with Christ we really do share in the life of God. “Our lives are hidden with Christ in God. ” We become “partakers of the divine nature.” So many images of the atonement of Christ present this idea that Jesus died so somehow God could manage to forgive us and let us off the hook, so to speak. I think this analogy is really a caricature. The deeper reality is for me is that through our unity with Christ we become like Him, reconciled and healed. God is revealed as not being like this monarchial boss that requires us to pay out the last farthing or else. Even in the economy of the trinity, the Son is not though inferior to the Father through all eternity. But, even our image of the reality of trinity falls short of the thing itself. Human minds cannot fully comprehend the reality of all God is in splendor and glory.

    So, I would say that for humankind, Christians would not think that intellectual and ethical perfection can be obtained solely through our own efforts or simply by self actualization.

    I also agree with you that the Kingdom of God is not something solely in the future. In one sense, the Kingdom of God has begun in the here and now. It is also within us. We are to walk that out, and show the light of Christ through our own lives and actions.

    Many Christian believers have a concept of the “cosmic Christ” which is revealed in all people albeit using different images and names. Maybe this is like something that is happening in your life. This parallel is not coincidental, I think.

    I feel like this is an emphasis that is lost in many of the more conservative and evangelical Christian churches with wholly an emphasis on a more plenary, legalistic view of the work of the cross. Even the concept of sin as an offense against God can run counter to the idea of sin being anything that causes harm to us or to the creation.

    But, different Christian people are at different places in their faith and their understanding.

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    1. Well here in lay the crux of the problem. “ Christians believe that we know the love of God through the self emptying of God through the incarnation, and that through our unity with Christ we really do share in the life of God. “Our lives are hidden with Christ in God. ” We become “partakers of the divine nature”
      You believe it but it has never met that objective because you believe someone else will give it to you. That isn’t a message that holds any objective truth since the followers attached to Jesus instead of the idea. It doesn’t come through any means outside yourself. “Look within” not without, is what every teacher of the divine would say. Self empowering words, not an attachment through faith.

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      1. Jim, are you feeling that an openness to the reality of God limits us in someway? What is there to prevent us from looking within, rejoicing in our gifts, intellect, and abilities, and also trusting God as well?

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        1. I’m going to have to use a non-religious explanation to connect with you. This is interesting or disingenuous, but I have seen this phenomenon in bullies and novice athletes that have never seen the competition. No offense is intended here Becky, but how could you know the point when you believe you have the point?—let me explain.
          You can tell right away when a person has never ridden a horse. I used to be a wrangler, guide and packer several years in the cascades. Every new guest got a short interview to check their riding ability and match them up with a horse, and every trip someone would say to the effect, “oh I’ve been around horses all my life”, or, “I’ve been riding since I was little”. So we’d get everything saddled up and hit the trail. It was all good for a spell, but then we’d start to climb into the switchbacks, river crossings, and along the ledges where the views are incredible and the horse is working up a good sweat. I heard “oh my god”, god help me, crying, wetting of pants, panic, or even in the flats where you bump into a cougar or the scent of a bear, when just handling the horse takes on a whole new new meaning. Sure, they’ve ridden their whole life and weren’t lying at all, but it was only in an arena.
          Christianity is riding in an arena.
          Your teaching has taught you that you have it, the most direct path to god, but you wander around down in the arena, conditioned to believe your on a path that leads somewhere spectacular, but it simply goes in circles—not seeing the entirety of the oneness and ethereal unity of all the sons of god here on the universal stage, but you live by faith, not knowledge. There is a method to achieve the kingdom, but it isn’t Christianity. Right now you believe you’ve seen the vista, but haven’t even left the barn.
          I was heavily into dirt bikes since I was little. I could hold my own with the locals and thought I was ready for the big show. Then one day I saw Roger de Coster ride in person. You can’t really judge your ability until you’ve seen the competition. This is when Christians become “Christian mystics” and invite other ways of thought into their belief and practices, because in reality it is a closed system that isn’t superior to anything, but the believers think it is. And through faith they hang on to it and add more ingredients, yet still think they can do it by worshipping the messenger.

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            1. Well, as a former Christian I thought at the time I really had it going. It was the circular path that felt so familiar every time around the arena. Faith will keep you in, but real faith will open the gate—total trust in letting go

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          1. I think part of what adds to the complexity of all this is that people swim in different streams of the church and this influences their experience and perception. We’re not always able to see the whole. I think Christian mysticism had its roots in the earliest thinking of the church. You know, I’m thinking of the desert fathers and Gregory of Nyssa, but even before that. To me, it’s just not an add on.

            One thing I will say, I certainly don’t believe that I have every answer out there or could never be wrong. We are all in some measure limited in our understanding, and see “through a glass darkly.” Openness and humility is a good thing, IMO.

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            1. The core of the story is, “Once I was blind, but now I see.”. The difficulty is that not everyone has the same experience or perception.

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            2. Naturally, as individuals, we often interpret things differently. In this case, I felt it had less to do with “seeing” than the fact many people simply go around “the arena,” never allowing themselves to experience what’s beyond the invisible boundaries they believe surround them.

              In other words, life can be an exciting and moving adventure, but too many have been led to believe “There’s a bear in them there woods!” so they continue to stay inside the barn and never experience, as Jim put it, the switchbacks, the river crossings, and the (sometimes scary) ledges that provide incredible views.

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            3. Nan, I would agree, but I think this is an issue that people from every group and philosophy can share. Folks can fear the unknown, change or anything that threatens their belief system. No group is immune, IMO. I feel this tendency is greatly lessened when people are secure within themselves, and generally open to seeing truth no matter where it’s found. This is true whether the person is Christian, a non-theist, or something else.

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    1. I was thinking, that of all the readers here you may have been the most critical. You surprise me a little Steve, but thank you for being open minded. It’s a pretty good topic. I have to show some restraint, for I think if you take it all the way, you lose most of your readers and wind up in a crazy house. LOL. If you remove the bias and analyze the experience from all cultures, there is a common theme within the community of mystics

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    1. It’s a difficult principle to put into words anyway, but imagine trying to use code-speak because of your culture would make it even more difficult.

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  7. Speaking of idols, I am told by christians that statues of Christ, Mary, or Angels are not idols. Seems to me the actual words were “graven images.” If statues are not graven images, I do not know what else they could be.
    But I am not here to write about idols. I want to put a different slant on us being god. Were we to have a strong enough yet big enough electron microscope that could look inside our whole body at one time, what we would see are universes inside us, universes where we are god. There would be universes (combined molecules), galaxies (single molecules), star systems (complete atoms), suns (nuclei), planets (electrons) and space garbage (quantum bits). Each of us would be the gods of our own universes.

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    1. Oops, forgot to add: And if people were living on the electrons inside our bodies, would we notice them? We would not have a care in the world about them, whether they called us their god or not.

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      1. It’s debatable and very unlikely the Jesus character is more than a caricature for an idea common among some ideas at the time. That being said, the idea is they were subtly trying to share the blasphemy of the cosmic whole. The entity that we all are that is in line with what many mystics and shaman have seen during the vision/experience of knowing the whole show—even Crazy Horse…
        Maybe you could add what you saw in your experiences.

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      1. I am an idle idol, and I’m real. Need I say more? I am me. I am K. I can refer to myself in third person. K exists, therefore k is. Self existent, in single or plural… Property, ownership? I is. Is I’s? I’s is… Is is. 🧐

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  8. “Christ was made man that we might be made God.” Are you sharing something like the ancient church’s doctrine of theosis? Today it’s very much emphasized within Greek Orthodoxy.

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    1. I don’t know Greek Orthodoxy, so no, not at all. We won’t be made anything. We already are everything. I, is already plural and every one. The Christian theme is stuck in the role of fallen sinner. This actualización can be taught if it wasn’t buried in the bureaucracy and power of sin and punishment.
      It’s interesting that you haven’t rebutted my thesis and the progression of the regression of Christianity.

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      1. I will be back later to share in fuller detail. The reason that I haven’t rebutted your thesis is because I think there is some real truth and insight in what you’re sharing, but not wholly, IMO. Part of this has to do with how the church has taken ahold of the concept of the trinity, and the meaning of the atonement of Christ, as well as the concept of the kingdom of God. But, I can find tons of common ground in your article.

        In a certain measure, Christian philosophers like CS Lewis are saying some similar things, as well as some of the Christian mystics.

        Talk again soon. 🙂 Enjoy the day. I’m hoping to see bears on my hike this morning.

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  9. Jim jimminy, Jim jimminy, Jim Jimboree. The nail, on the head, you’ve hit it, Cherie! Of course, as you always so naturally do, have said it much more calmly and eloquently than I could ever have done. Drum roll, A tandem post I will ressurect from the archives. Just like j-dawg and the hot-cross-bun.

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      1. Whenever a song comes on (in my mind, and out my mouth/typed-touch), you can totally bet I bust a move. But I don’t go so far as to bust a nut. No sir-ee. Post is up. Enjoy.

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