Memes—True or False

Been seeing a lot of these lately

Memes by believers™️ are as popular as ever, but are they true? Are there none who can escape their bias? Here’s one I picked up this week;

“A bit of science distances one from God, but much science nears one to Him”—Louis Pasteur

What is true though, would be true for believer and nonbelievers alike. It wouldn’t require a belief to be true, but would be self evident. The above statement is a meaningless whereas no gods ever mentioned are a natural conclusion.

Before one studies Zen, mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after a first glimpse into Zen, mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; after enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters”—Dōgen

To study things as an illusion it becomes an illusion, only to finally realize things are exactly as they seem. The search is over—there is nothing to discover.

The futility of the search, to persist at finding meaning, we ultimately find there is no need to practice erroneous methods, or worship particular beliefs.

And another—

Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion”—Isaac Newton.

This is what Christians meme about when the parental controls are off.

Who…or what? Newton was undoubtedly one of the greatest scientists and most influential figures of all time, but the influence of the environment was still strong on him.

Around 100 years after the Principia was published, the French mathematician Pierre-Simon Laplace answered Newton’s question of “how planets do not get thrown out of the solar system”—and that god puts them back in. He showed with mathematical rigor that the solar system is stable over very long periods and that the planetary orbits were stable indefinitely.

Are you under the influence of your environment, as Newton was to his? Is everything completely explainable, or will god continue to wait in the wings long after theories are improved?

Progress on the cabin…

Author: jim-

One minute info blogs breaking the faith trap.

23 thoughts on “Memes—True or False”

  1. O;ne last share: for the readers. Honesty is that which we all have, if we seek honesty. I know that sounds circuitrous (sp?), but it’s the best I can do to explain. From that point forward, for the honesty person, looking at any belief or line of reasoning, though may take time, becomes clearer with time, sometimes instantly. I suppose, for dishonest people, whoever they are, they don’t like this explanation and will continue to attempt sowing seeds of doubt. Can see that a mile away. But, someone asks, how can you see your own reasoning, then affirm or disaffirm the reality regarding. That’s a good question. Let readers figure that one out.

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  2. A question is whether a person is willing to follow the trail of their own reasoning, perhaps also the motivation behind believing anything. Socrates admitted knowing no more than anyone else, but he wanted to understand and so followed lines of reasoning. Many people are not willing to examine their own thinking, for one reason or another.

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  3. Wow. I am impressed, Jim.

    I am trying to recall the name of the park outside Snoqualmie (educational) with all the rain water demonstrations. I recall how they used trapped rainwater to play musical sounds. Your chain made me think of it. I will remember it after I click Post Comment. 🙂 That cabin looks large. Great work!

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  4. Jim:
    I appreciate your passion for science.

    Yes the solar system in it’s present configuration is, for practical purposes, stable. Nevertheless it remains true that mathematically speaking, the solar system is inherently unstable. Laplace’s proof that you mentioned involved approximations.
    “Several “proofs” of stability have been announced … these have all been based on approximations that are not completely accurate for our own solar system and thus do not prove its stability.” [Ref]

    It was Poincare who showed that the many-body solar systems (greater than 2 bodies) are mathematically speaking, chaotic systems. There are no closed-form solutions (i.e. no general ‘proofs’ of the kind you suggested).
    Note that this also means that the butterfly effect applies to the solar system. For example, according to computer simulations [Ref] that start from our present configuration, the position of the planets becomes unpredictable beyond about 100 million years in the future. They likely remain in our recognizable orbits but their phases go out of whack.
    “The unpredictability of the solar system over very long times is of course ironic since this was the prototypical system that inspired Laplacian determinism.” [Ref]

    Note also a quirky thing about gravity:
    – We tend to visualize the gravity well of the sun as akin to a deep funnel that traps the orbiting planet.
    – However the total energy of the planet in orbit is the sum of potential energy + kinetic energy.
    – Planets that are closer to the sun move faster. Thus there is a partial compensation of the gravitational energy (negative) with the kinetic (positive).
    – The net result, as it turns out, is that the total energy equals 1/2 the gravitational potential energy.
    – In other words planets are less ‘trapped’ than they may appear to be.
    – This is one reason why modern models of our solar system and planetary formation include awesome and wild happenings such as Jupiter (the first planet to form) taking a cataclysmic excursion inward, only to be pulled back out by Saturn.

    All this to say that there are sublime nuances to our planetary system that put hasty considerations to shame.
    [Ref] https://www.ias.edu/ideas/2011/tremaine-solar-system
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    1. Thank you. I’ll give you link a look after work. I think it’s easy to overlook and hard to comprehend the vast amount of time and failures it took to be this way. It’s actually a little funny when you think god was doing all this 13b years ago to get his Adam.

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  5. the origins, the primeval causes, the functionings are so extremely mysterious, so far beyond human comprehension, so inexplicably intricate and perfectly harmonious, we can only let go and melt with it. the mystery is the only answer, and laughter is the right response.
    here’s how the oldest Hindu script approaches this topic:

    Who really knows, and who can swear,
    How creation came, when or where!
    Even gods came after creation’s day,
    Who really knows, who can truly say
    When and how did creation start?
    Did He do it? Or did He not?
    Only He, up there, knows, maybe;
    Or perhaps, not even He.

    — Rig Veda 10.129.1-7

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  6. On the subject of knowledge vs. ignorance a very eloquent speaker once said:

    Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say wee know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

    Donald H. Rumsfield, Department of Defense news briefing, February 12, 2002

    So Jim, all this I know with a low percentage of doubt and high percentage of caution, with splashes of humility, and absolute certainty of my limitations and yours. 🙂

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    1. Oh! Forgot to mention Jim—you got me all distracted thinking deeply in a semi-hypnotized state—that the cabin is coming along great! Looks fantastic actually. Is that a loft I see? In image #3? A soon-to-be ladder climbing up to it?

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      1. Loft in each of the bedrooms. Pretty cool if I say so myself. There are also some hidden lofts at the other end, but wouldn’t be hidden if I showed you.. Nice to see you boss!

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        1. Oooooo! Those lofts sound like hours & hours of fun for kiddos! Well done Jim. 😉

          Great to visit again too. What a crazy, difficult last 16-17 months, eh? I have struggled quite a bit mentally and emotionally these last 5-mons being a very social, engaging personality… in person face-to-face, all my life. 🥴🥺

          I hope we are really and truly coming OUT of coronavirus & its new variants. We are so close to beating this thing and winning the biological war on it—IF all of us Americans do what we’re supposed to do TOGETHER, E pluribus unum you know, and damn well SHOULD’VE DONE by February 2020 at the latest!!! Sadly, we had incompetent leadership then inside the White House and way too many WH cult-followers who had lobotomies before the 2016 elections. 🤬🤦‍♂️

          I hope you and C (wife) are doing well. ❤️

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  7. The scientists before the information generation, I can sort of let them slide on the belief stuff, as it was often wise to purport belief even if you did not share it. And even if it was genuine belief, much of that was a result of the times. Most religion isn’t still killing people who disagree with their belief in their invisible friends today, sadly not all.

    You made me think of the Deepak Chopra BS generator 🙂 I am sure you have probably already seen it… Note: it is not a secure site.

    http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

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    1. I remember as a believer approaching science as “how does god do it”? With that premise the answers are always askew. What really happens is god offers nothing by way of discovery, but is always an add-on. Yet those additions keep getting smaller and smaller.

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