If reincarnation is real, what is it exactly that is being reintroduced? It certainly isn’t the biology, the dna, or any physical likeness. It is data that is recycled—everything is data and electrical impulses. Even your food is measured in calories, or energy content.
Our physical world is a system of inseparable differences. Everything exists with everything else. Left and right are one process. If thoughts are real they are permanent data structures that come and go and transcend life and death.
Life isn’t serious. It is completely unnecessary. Why is there something rather than nothing? For his pleasure it was imagined into existence. It is for play—to relive the boredom’s of infinite living.
Theorists such as Roger Penrose, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics, have conjectured that quantum effects underpin consciousness, but this theory is just as lacking as any other theory. Researchers cannot even agree on what form a theory of consciousness should take.
The Polaroid is maybe the best example of creation—the image appears all at once out of the blackness, yet nothing of substance is added to it.
TheCommonAtheist 
I am open to being reincarnated as a pet of a rich woman.
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Maybe that was some data from prior lives, but they weren’t you. Now graduated to architect how much better could it be than that?
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My friend a pet gets petted and all. An architect you still have to deal with annoying clients and sometimes disorganized contractors.
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Just hope she doesn’t beat your ass with a newspaper when you crap on the floor. 😁
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She will be so remorseful for beating me it will be alright
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There’s a kid who said his past life was on Mars and pointed out geographical locations with baffling accuracy. Have you heard? There are other instances of shocking coincidences. They’re interesting at least.
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He was in possession of data discovered by others that went before him.
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He was on TV, wasn’t he? They claimed he didn’t know anything about Mars.
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I would take this with more than a pinch of salt. Maybe a baleful of salt, in the least.
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Not sure if he knew anything or not, but if it’s true the idea is the same regardless. What is it that is being reincarnated?
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I cannot tell if you are pro or con reincarnwtion, Jim, but you pretty much have it right in a spurious sort of way. Life is energy, and energy retains a sort of data.
Reincarnatio does not involve ego or minds, but rather life energies. The energy of life that is in us is infinite, not as individuals, but rather as receptacles of life. Not facts and figures, or geographical information, but the intricacies of being alive are built upon through reincarnation. This is an unending process which spans dimensions and time as we know it.
So when you say data, you are close. But life is not subservient to facts, only to understanding existence.
This is how I understand reincarnaton.
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The experiences share a common thread—Data is being recalled. The idea of a soul is just an explanatory add-on. That coupled with the fact that whatever life is made of, it isn’t substantive of anything fundamentally real. Particles are excitations in an energy field. When you die nothing of your sort is retained, unless you believe it so much your energy is confined to heaven or hell to detox.
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I never mentioned soul, or heaven, or any such word so I have no idea why you are feeding them bavk to me. They play no part in the process of life. Nor does the god word.
Life is something so few people are willing to look at. To most of us it is just some thing that happens at birth, and unhappens at death. Understandable, in that we have no real experience with anything else. But life is so much more than what we see here on Earth.
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But life is so much more than what we see here on Earth. — I would assume this comment is based on your personal LSD experience. But how can you convince others who have not had this experience?
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Experiences! Not just experience.
I have no need to convince anyone of anything. Just giving infornation (data) that was given to me. What you choose to believe is up to you.
But I will add this: about 54 years now, and those experiences are still affecting my life consciously, every day. I have firgotten so many other experiences I had, yet those ones are always front and center to me.
Sure, I might be insane, or just fooling myself, but i did not must make this up. They are “lived” experiences, not mere hallucinations.
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The illusion that life is real is where you are stuck. Nothing is made of anything
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Life on Earth may not be real. Life IS real, whatever form it takes.
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Nothing comes from nothing
Nothing ever could
So somewhere in my youth or childhood (or past life)
I must have done something good
(Maria, The Sound of Music)
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If you say so. I don’t believe in karma. I believe in myself!
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You’ve inherited traits from a long line of organisms. This is karma. You actually seem to embrace many aspects of karma, just not the term.
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I inherited no non-physical traits from my sperm donor, or even my egg supplier as far as I know. She died while I was a child, so I cannot say if I am like her or not. I am my own self-made person. And karma’s a bitch, I hear. If someone is keeping records of everyone’s good and bad deeds, they need a bigger supercomputer than any computer ever designed on Earth, and a hekkuva lot of busybody data input personnel to decide whether acts/intentions are good or bad. That sounds like a great job for God, and you and I both know there is no god!
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Nobody is keeping track of your karma but natural law.
So, that last part of your comment is interesting. Here we have the Hebrew god keeping tabs on every deed, watching everything, or we have secular surveillance, video cameras, gps, tracking, google tracking your clicks, dating apps tracking your preferences, shopping habits, listening surveillance, wire tapping, checkout cameras, passports, and likely many things we don’t know about. Is is really far fetched for a busybody? The eye in the sky is very detailed.
One day I went to google earth to look at my house and the filters were off. I could see the strata in the gravel on my driveway and the birdshit on my fence rails. I could see the discolored shingle on my roof. This is the all seeing eye of mythology from an ancient, advanced civilization.
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Fortunately I live in a small town in the backwoods of Canada, so my life is not being recorded by anyone. I buy mothing on the internet, so the clicks I make are not very interesting.
You too live away from the madding crowd. Do you really get recorded that much?
Yes, Big Brother is watching, but that creates a lot of useless data in most cases. Spam that makes it through my spam filter just gets deleted. We are all capable of doing that.
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Here again you don’t answer the question but deflect to the examples of extremes. Ie; We don’t live in town so it doesn’t matter? I thought you were concerned with all life.
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I am concerned about all life, but I too have to pick my battles. I don’t know how to fight Big Brother anymore, except with words, and words won’t help shut off the invasive cameras.
But I guess I missed, or have forgotten the question which I did not answer. My mind does that to me these days…
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Lol. I agree with you sir. I never watched the news and until recently had no idea of such things. I’m ready to go back into my hole.
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No problem, Jim. Sometimes it is safer there, and much more sane. I’m not even sure what they call sanity these days. Whatever, it is has nothing to do with the world I was born into.
Religion was bad enough then, but even the religious stuck mostly to themsekves. These days the Eva gelucaks want to rule the world., not just heaven and hell!
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From a Polytheist point of view, people only come back if they have unfinished business. Otherwise, they become the Ancestors and all kinds of the Dead. (We have multitude groupings of various Dead.) The only people in my neck of the woods who discuss reincarnation are Neo-Pagans who have adopted various New Age beliefs.
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I shall be reincarnated (appear in a new form) as a Star since “We are all Star Stuff”!! 😁
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Re “It is data that is recycled—everything is data and electrical impulses. Even your food is measured in calories, or energy content.”
You take one hypothetical, reincarnation, and back it up by another. To claim that one person is the reincarnation of another, what exactly do the two share? Memories, I assume, but otherwise? Do, they look alike? Smell alike? Not required apparently. As data goes, memories are plastic and unreliable, so they would hardly make a good medium for execution of a reincarnation. They do make for good conjuror’s tricks though. (How could he possibly have recalled that?)
The “everything is information” argument is popular in current philosophy as it stems from the explanation of how dumb atoms can be assembled into smart people. The answer is “arrangement.” Since only four element’s atoms are involved in the core, it can’t be types of atoms that are the source of molecular, then cellular, then organismal behaviors. You can take the atoms of a cow and make a human (you do it every time you eat a hamburger or steak). But to confuse how things are arranged with the things themselves is a major mistake, I suggest. (Think about it.)
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“…to relive the boredom’s of infinite living.” I dunno. I think Vampires have got the boredom thing kicked with their behavior. It’s not fun for the living, but sure is hysterical for the Vampires…
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…to offer hope at the edge of infinite dread, love in the frozen abyss, and yes, relief from the boredom of endless life… oh, and wind for outstretched wings.
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If you don’t have your memory, that is, continuity of being, then what is there re-in-bodyment. Christians hope for our reincarnation (…a body incorruptible). We’ll remember our life here but we’ll have new bodies. (By “we” I mean the segment of the grand being that I am) Both Jesus and John the baptist seemed to have been conscious in the womb of their mothers. Jesus later equates John with Elijah who was to appear again. He says, “if you can believe it, John is Elijah.” But… then again, I have no continuity of being when I’m asleep. I’m just gone. Then I awake and I am again with full memory (+-). So maybe here I am asleep to my greater self (which is still less than the great I Am), unable to remember it until I awaken through death. Thanks for the plunge Jim.
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What does it take to create a soul, a unit of being, a separate permanent consciousness? How long does it take? Perhaps millions of lives starting with the simplest form like paramecium and evolving from one embodiment to the next increasing in sentient solidity until perfected and eternal. In this scenario ego and a very separate self develop until perfectly and permanently formed. A child of the eternal parent. Separate, equally eternal, bound by spirit (consciousness ) the trinity? Jesus said, “I am the way…” I hear “you have to become a child of the I Am” or “you will become…” In this way, “receiving Jesus” is accepting one’s divine destiny, not just “getting saved to go to heaven” but completing a journey, a long gestation.
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reincarnation of human beings is proved scientifically by Uva professors.
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How so?
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You can visit their website and explore yourself. just type in
The Science Behind Reincarnation with Dr. Jim B. Tucker …
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The problem with the current definitions of reincarnation is it holds too many contradictions to be true. First you would have to prove you’re an individual soul (whatever that is) which in itself contradicts an all omnipotent and omnipresent god. Unless you’re him, then it works fine.
Second of all, scientific evidence is not proof—evidence is always changed by further proofs.
The only proof there is, is information is being passed down at a level we don’t understand. Data is being shared in an electronic system—that’s all we know.
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Smiles, you are giving lame reasons jim. the scientific evidence is in front of you but still you don’t want to accept it. The professors of UVA are not writing a fiction story and presenting a false data. About 2500 live cases has been investigated in 60 years. These are all real cases which they have investigated personally in different countries.
So, as a honest atheist you have to be fair. you cannot presume now itself by saying that, future evidence will supersede the present evidences. Right?
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Name a theory or hypothesis that has not changed its tune at some point?
I have several posts here promoting the idea of reincarnation and have no problem with it per se, but it is a Hindu idea that contradicts its own doctrine. Who were you in a past life? Who are you anyway, really? Can you tell me that?
What do we actually know?? What is it that is being recycled? It isn’t dna, lineage, race, etc…it is data. The same data that produces the same ideas to different people in different places at the same time.
I would also submit that people are being born with memory from others who are still living, which really puts a hamper on the whole idea of individual souls. No, we are not separate from the whole thing. If you can illustrate how that could possibly be true I’ll listen. Great topic for sure!
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Jim, please stick to the point under discussion. This article is not about discussion about hindu doctrines and its believes.
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Even the researchers went to India. I am sticking g to it.
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Jim, the research work and scientific findings has nothing to do with Hinduism or any ism’s. It stands on its own footing. You asked for evidence for reincarnation. It is there. Now, its’ your duty to go through all such scientific findings and enlighten yourself.
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So they went to a place (India) biased with belief for the bulk of the research. Got it.
I already watched the video. It’s interesting but still dangles with a big why and how.
I’m pretty sure I’ve learned more about reincarnation than most and I find it interesting. It just carries too many contradictions and supposition to be believed.
It’s data. That’s all we know and it fits better with informaron theory than life after life. It’s data recycled.
I’m surprised you believe this so adamantly when you don’t even know who YOU are. That’s why you believe it.
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Whoops! you forget about other countries. These scientists they are your country men they are not indians. Hee, Hee.
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What you are failing g to notice is you are using the scientific method to separate everything into classes where none actually exist on a single, fully functioning organism. You are not separate from it, you are it.
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Can you please be clear what you are trying to say.
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Just ideas I like. Not saying anything. Maybe you should try it.
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Not to be is only a wishful thought.
Being is also a wishful thought.
Being fully in the Present is neither of those things.
Being all there is to be is all life-forces is STRIVING for.
Evolution is a Slow process and advancing in stages seemed a good enough reason for reincarnations…..
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I like reincarnation but I also have to ask, what exactly is being reincarnated? It isn’t dna, or lineage—it is data, which supports a single consciousness model as does Christianity’s omnipotent monotheism —but don’t tell them that.
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Dictation:
Only the HEAVENS and IT’S Data Bases owe you and biological REBERTHS answers to finding Cures for Germ WARFARE ENTITIES.
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Not sure where you’re headed with that on. I’ll stick to inquiry without belief.
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Cowardly Perceived.
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You’re willing to take on board who & what the biological SPERM and Infinitesimal Singularity COCOON EGG Berths……
Surely your Mind-mapping interest can take you further than closing your Mind to all efforts at supplying the answers to Cause & Effects Anguishes.
Legacies needn’t ever be passed on in our Future Cosmic GENES.
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It’s mind. Jim. Mind is a subtle element of our body. This mind carries our desires and subtle body. As soon as our gross body fails this subtle mind along with soul is transmigrated to other body. According to the material desire such living entity develops a particular eyes, ears, all the human anatomy.
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Actually body is a subtle element of the mind. If you understand a fraction of quantum mechanics you see this, even though they are careful nowadays in their verbiage to avoid it. When you break it all down there is nothing at all to examine except a tremendous amount of energy. “ Those who are not shocked when they first come across quantum mechanics cannot possibly have understood it”
When your body dies their is no more essence of “you” or your ego, which is a perception of bodily autonomy, except for the humans that still believe they are real, and they are “them”
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The mind is who we really are in this biological robot BERTHing body.
It resides in it’s fornix-cerebri. It’s spiritual-body (chakra-Energy Soul) is in the cerebrospinal fluid…
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This may be a valid point considering the fact there are a small number of people with no brain matter, yet still function at a normal level, physically and cognitively.
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All MY ENERGY’S CURES reside over and under our ODYSSEY’S Progeny LIFELINES.
GOD JUPITER & SIBYL
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That’s a bit much. Ok then.
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Only Progeny and SPIRIT Beings begin to Question the ART of SCIENCE and LOGIC being everything. And Omni-Science was Supposed to be able to Join all Our JOURNIY’S Prevailing Revelations without crying Quantum THEORIES Jigsaw puzzle.
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I think for a hundred years starting at quantum physics Niels Bohr, Schrödinger, and Oppenheimer, as well as others stated this. It’s just nobody listened. It’s hard to make science useful in this framework after giving the game away.
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If body is the subtle element of the mind then it should not get destroyed. Just like your desires are not destroyed even when your body becomes disabled.
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Not really. Everything has an emergence and a retreat. The problem in comprehending total death is hopeful beliefs of continuation. But you will not continue as you, but all your ideas and thoughts have been absorbed into the whole, when you are dead their is no thing to remember because you were never you to begin with.
This is a cultural misstep that does not exist in more grounded, earthy communities of indigenous people. This is a learned behavior in the west that contradicts what we actually know—usurped by errant beliefs. And why are beliefs necessary at all…they are not real.
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You may believe what you like to believe. These are subtle science that you cannot understand.
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HA! I’d say Jim understands far more than you do considering your limited worldview.
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I also remember just before losing my faith, using science and philosophy to try and disguise that my beliefs were rooted in physical discovery, while hiding the main idea—Christianity in the background. In essence I thought I could convince the non believer to believe by pulling random data out of academics to trick the non believer into agreement. Well, here I am.
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@Nan, you need not keep on proving that you are a childish idiot. The scientific evidence is already given by UVA professors. You don’t have intellectual capability to understand science all you can spout is nonsense .
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And people that must insult others to make a point have the intellectual capacity of a child. Oh, and BTW, my comment was directed to Jim so if you took it personally, that’s your problem.
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You have such a dull brain jim. I have 2500 cases in my pocket given by UVA professors to show transmigration of soul is a fact. You have nothing in your pocket to show that reincarnation is false. You can bark, that is not going to change the truth.
Cheers.
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Great comment. I always like to have discussions with a towering intellect like yourself.
Define a soul. The UVA professors have an assumption in their hypothesis that they have granted themselves, that there is such thing as a soul. Define soul and illustrate the possibility how you are a separate entity from the whole as a cosmic individual.
I told you earlier I have no problem with reincarnation as an idea. It’s cool. But it’s only data, no souls needed.
BTW, these professors of academia you put so much faith in—these are the intellectual class, the experts, that have the world of education, finance, and morality right where it is today, and you trust them. That’s troubling.
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LOL! Jim, Uva professors are not assuming they have very well tested their hypothesis. I can’t put it on a bumper sticker. I’m sorry you work so hard to resist knowing anything about science and its evidence,
but it doesn’t make you right. Ignorance is clearly your hallmark, and I’m not talking to you anymore today. You have demonstrated multiple times you just
don’t care about learning, only in maintaining your ignorant fallacious assumptions and ideas which you want to force on us.
I’m not obliged to define about soul one who is against science and scientific evidence.
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You’re not obliged because you can’t.
I’m not about denying evidence, but realize the institutions are all corrupt. Religion, government, science, all of it is corrupt.
Since you’re so believing of the scientific community, I suppose your in favor of gender dysphoria and the way the scientopolitical academics are handling that too? It’s based on evidence?
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Jim has demonstrated more knowledge about science on his blog than pretty much ANY Christian… primarily because the knowledge of most believers is all wrapped up in ONE book and their acceptance of its contents, which in most cases is FAR from being “scientific.”
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They just click the heels of their ruby slippers twice, and repeat, “There’s no God! There’s no God” and run like a coward when presented scientific evidence.
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I don’t think it’s to do with being without a MORAL Compass… It’s more to do with the Perceived CRUELTY that has gone into The Creation.
Dictation from GOD JUPITER
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