Spirit or Matter

For those who do not believe there is a spirit world—there is no difference but terminology

Why does examining the physical world still explain nothing about what it is? What is the most likely reason we haven’t identified one single solitary fact of what matter actually consists? Maybe it isn’t “real”? The simplest answer is usually the correct answer? Or Occam may say—”entities should not be multiplied needlessly” But physics is at a loss, as examining the atom we find 99.99999% empty space—We are empty space.

The physical world is the most elusive, evasive topic of all topics, yet at first glance it seems so obvious (here I am) But you can’t identify what stuff is, any more than you can find anything actually existing anywhere at all. You cannot put your finger on it, nor determine the basic physical makeup—of anything, simultaneously fulfilling all the requirements of spirit. Neither science nor religion has any idea what the hell is going on (forget resurrection of matterless matter for the moment)

Matter is all at once here, there, and nowhere. While it’s properties can be manipulated slightly for our imagined benefit, as far as being the real stuff we have hoped to identify as the physical reality, is likened most easily to an image at the end a projector—though you might just as easily identify the physical properties of an image on a movie screen—where there would be nothing seen at all without the background.

The farther we peek into the physical world the less is discovered—there is nothing there. It is empty shells everywhere we look, and the most obvious yet unsettling reality stares us in the face—there is nothing physical to discover. Is life and the physical world (as we assume) merely concentrated patterns of energy—like a dust devil in passing wind, we see its stationary effects but the wind keeps blowing? Whirlpools along a passing stream? Cyclones of organized chaos? Or is matter any more than a concentration of spirit, for lack of a better term? It, the obvious answer is, essentially energy forming a pattern. The other “one thing” we harness but do not understand in the slightest—electricity.

What should be the most obvious and easy to identify—the physical world, turns out to be the most elusive of all examination. We aren’t really even here in the sense of reality we have imagined. And imagine is what we do best, and will continue to do—our existence depends on it. Whatever the case, life is simply amazing to be a part of. It’s amazing!

Author: jim-

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71 thoughts on “Spirit or Matter”

  1. Rawgod, I understand. But, I don’t know anyone who wants to be the cause of a mass extinction. I think as humans we have the ability, and are called and gifted to be part of the solution. Think of your own children and grandkids, and their children. As humans, we are also called and gifted to be part of the solution. Please don’t give way to despair.

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  2. I notice the “Is the universe conscious?” question has been going around in the past few years. Seems like it has become an acceptable line of speculation again, even among scientists. Funny how things circle back around. Not a strange idea at all, at one time just about everyone knew it. It is not some “New Age” thing, it is very old fashioned.

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    1. Personally I think sentience, that fine awareness of things is very much a learned behavior—a contagion of sorts. Children are here to play and it takes effort to get them to think seriously. We see in cases of feral children that many of these human “ideals” of civilization and conformity can never be learned after a certain age. God spoke to Adam and Eve and gave them commandments which they could not fully understand. If they however, passed these on to their children which made all the difference. Whoever “god” represents in these verses also could have introduced language in this way. Again, with feral children we see after a certain age they cannot learn it, but behave in the communication of their host species when they were very young. I’ve never really heard anyone elaborate on this, but the idea of speech and sentience certainly aren’t natural or develop on their own. Thinking, is probably the most destructive trait in human beings. Thought is a means of concealing the truth and believing we are what we aren’t. This whole thing is quite an unnatural experience and at odds with nature at every turn.

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      1. Although I tend to be a bit…impatient…with these kinds of speculations, I have to admit it is THOUGHT PROVOKING.

        JIM: True Detective, Rust Chole, had some thoughts on this:

        I think human consciousness, is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

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        1. I think it’s a fascinating topic, but don’t confuse my interest and curiosity for discussion as a belief. I’m merely an explorer. That being said, we aren’t very natural, but we can be if left to it. The Kogi of Columbia hid 500 years from the Spaniards and civilization and are quite conscientious about the earth and its condition. I think our biggest problem is assigning certain value to things in this fraudulent economic charade have people at complete odds with authentic living.

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        2. Basen, God have mercy! This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever read. We are put on this earth for a purpose, not to to walk hand in hand into extinction. It is our calling and responsibility as a species to steward the creation, to bring healing, and to make things better. We are not missteps. Be encouraged.

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      2. the power of speech is definitely a mysterious one. in ancient times (the idea was explored in ‘Dune’ too) it is believed that people had the power of Vāc, or power of voice, by which they could manifest into matter by speech alone. (it all goes back to vibration. what is speech but a vibration of sound?)

        so, there is an occult potency in sound as a form producer, not merely on the physical plane but also on the higher planes of life with which we are as yet little acquainted

        the evolution of vocal language is very subtle and seems to hinge on a single gene (FOXP2)

        -the biology suggests that many forms of human and animal vocalization are similar and are related to small modifications of FOXP2 (and other genes).

        – recently the ‘ancient aliens’ school has suggested that one simple alteration created the ability for humans to develop voice language and that this was a gift from alien engineers

        this comes from Wiki:
        The FOXP2 gene is highly conserved in mammals.[17] The human gene differs from that in non-human primates by the substitution of two amino acids, a threonine to asparagine substitution at position 303 (T303N) and an asparagine to serine substitution at position 325 (N325S).[31] In mice it differs from that of humans by three substitutions, and in zebra finch by seven amino acids.[17][35][36] One of the two amino acid differences between human and chimps also arose independently in carnivores and bats.[10][37] Similar FOXP2 proteins can be found in songbirds, fish, and reptiles such as alligators.

        curioser and curioser 😆

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  3. excellent write! 👍

    the world of matter is like the ripples on the surface of a lake- it only ‘appears’ to be there when mind is moving (thoughts)
    when mind is completely at rest (in its original essence) the lake is seen as it truly is, consciousness without disturbance.

    is it not funny that world appears every time you awake, and disappears when you are in deep sleep? it is You that brings the world into being, and all in it

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    1. I’m not sure anything goes away while you sleep, but the importance of it certainly doesn’t. I go to sleep to collect my thoughts and ideas, then wake up with new info, or a way to word what I’ve been pondering. The lake analogy suits me pretty well. Where’s my hammock?
      We certainly like to make waves when there’s no wind… So what’s next boss?

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      1. to you, the world disappears. life is a subjective experience. when you are not, the world is not. ‘I am’ is creator of all.
        the question to ponder on is “who am I”?

        so. you have to go to the root of the experience and find the source. how could mind, which was created of the universe, give you the answer to what was there before the universe?

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        1. Mind may or may not be able to imagine, but spirit was there from the beginning, if not before the beginning. Using your analogy above, the big bang opened the eyes of the universe, and has not closed them since.

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            1. Yes, time is non-existent in itself, as are most things in life. But time is still a dimenson of this universe in that we are incapable of going backwards in any meaningful way. The past cannot be changed.
              I find the English language to be a very strange language, it is a language of science which does not easily adapt to matters of spirit, pun pun. But this language does not exist beyond this reality.
              Ah, I fear Monica has delivered me into a spiritual set of mind. Still, I am reminded of a discussion I had with a plilosophy prof of mine many years ago. He mentioned Kant or someone crossing a border, and I asked him what a border was. He said a line that divides two nations, or two anythings. I asked him to show me what a border looked like. He showed me a map. I drew a very bad picture of an area of land and asked him to show me a border. I said the land was patially in Canada, and partially in the States. I gave him the chalk and asked him to draw a border. Long story short, he could not.
              I switched to time, and asked him to show me a minute. He showed me a watch, and said that the second hand making one complete revolution was a minute. I took his watch from him and insisted he show me a real minute. Again, he could not. Yet he insisted borders and time were real. For me they were only human constructs. I could see in his eyes he understood my point, but he refused to give it. For him borders and time both existed, and anything else would destroy his world. He was not a philosopher, but a scientist. Poor self-deluded man.

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            1. Yes physicists speculate. Anything is possible. Even the big bang is only a theory. But it is a convenient one that most people can sort of understand. That is why I chose it, as an opportunity to communicate. It makes more sense than the old God/Creation theory. But who knows.

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    2. So basically like Vedanta, or some type of Yogacara Buddhism. In this view there are other minds, and a kind of source consciousness that is the origin(and ultimate identity) of all individual perspectives. That fundamental consciousness never goes away, so even though the world of objects and interactions is like a great dream, it is about as “objective” as it gets from the “mundane” individual level. It won’t change just because you will it to. I have seen many people misunderstand the basic idea here, thinking that this form of idealism would collapse all “objectivity” and make everything crazy and unpredictable.

      One thing that always impressed me about the Vedantins and Buddhists is how finely they studied and categorized the mind and its workings. They defined even dreamless sleep as a very subtle mode of the mind, with all the senses withdrawn. Technically, everything that exists is a mode of consciousness in the view of Advaita Vedantins. I can’t think of any school of thought(religious or otherwise) of that time that did this with the mind. They even had a concept of subconscious(to normal perception) levels of the mind. Prior to Freud(whether you like him or not) there was no such idea in Western philosophy, or the new field of psychology. It was very controversial and took a while to become acceptable.

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      1. by studying the mind, one has to go beyond the mind. that’s where the practice of meditation (which is so common in east and non existent in west) comes in.
        only when thoughts subside completely, can reality be seen as it truly is, and not how we imagine it to be 😊

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      2. Hi K,
        Sorry for butting in, and I am not looking for a fight, but I do take offence at your bracketed phrase, “ultimate destiny.” Both words are objectionable to me. First “destiny,” because that contains the idea of a creator or some kind of ruling influence that directs where life is going. Like karma needing a scorekeeper, whether it is oneself, or an outsider, destiny needs not only a pointer, but an already established point. I cannot imagine, given the last 15 billion years, that life is headed towards a preselected conclusion. Evolution, both physical and spiritual, depends on total chaos to find a direction that works better than others. And evolution is far from finished. We humans alive today think that we are the “crown of creation,” but really we are just another step on an evolutionary line that looks like it is committing self-genocide. We were given brains, and the capability of intelligence, but we are far from intelligent. We, through our stupidity and laziness, are ruining our home planet to the point it will soon be unable to support life the way we know it. If we don’t evolve, we will become a dead end, and this million-year experiment will fail. Destiny? Impossible, in my mind!
        And then “ultimate.” Ultimate connotes final. I don’t know the latest science, but the universe is nowhere near reaching its death. We are billions, if not trillions, of years away from the “ultimate” end of life. And how boring would it be to reach nirvana this far away from that end. Intelligence needs change, it needs to change itself and what is around it. Without that need we humans would just be glorified chimpanzees still living in trees. The ultimate is so far away as to be unimaginable. Nirvana is as impossible as heaven or hell.
        I could go on, but I’ll shut up for now. Peace.

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        1. I don’t remember anything about destiny. I wrote “ultimate identity”. It is a fact that in Vedanta, all consciousness has its ultimate identity in the Brahman. “Tat tvam asi”. From the smallest things to the most complicated, all individual things(Jagat) or beings(from gods down to bacteria) are manifestations of the Brahman. That is their belief. They have an eternalist, cyclical view of time and cosmology as well. There is no beginning or end.

          I do not believe that the universe is moving toward some predetermined end-point. That is Abrahamic thinking, and in my opinion their core delusion. As far as time goes, I find B-theory the better option. I think one of our major problems is the human tendency to think that our desires and opinions are the center of everything. I am finding it harder and harder to care if we drive ourselves to extinction. There is little I can do about that, no matter my personal efforts. There have been extinctions before, I expect there will be more in the future.

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          1. I humbly apologize. I misread one word, and it changed everything else. That was my fault.
            I come from childhood christianity, then moved to Tibetan buddhism, and reside now in spiritual atheism. I do believe all living things from one-celled organisms through plants and animals of all species are joined through life, but I have no name for life, nor does it need one. Reincarnation is a necessity in my philosophy, for it is the only explanation for all that has been, al that is, and all that will be.
            Humans, we are but one species of life, no better than any other, a lot worse than most. We could be better than we are, assuredly, but if I were a judge (and I am one), it would be thumbs down for humanity. Better to start over, in my opinion.
            Peace.

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            1. In an Earth that has been through multiple extinctions, that generates horror as much as awe, it is also a mistake to speak of humanity as “separate from nature” “destroying the earth.” Like the meteor shower or the future explosion of the Yellowstone Super Caldera, we are merely a part of nature acting in a natural way. Even if our natural ways may lead t extreme…discomfort…for our species (and so many others).

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            2. I would also be careful with terms like “better” and “worse”. Those are from human moral systems, not necessarily part of “nature”. The Universe is cold and does not care.

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            3. Good and bad, or evil, are from religion. Better and worse are relative, unable to be pinned down. To say I want a better world is not to say I want a good world, just better than the one we have. To say I want a worse world would probably land me in an insane asylum, and I would deserve to be there, wouldn’t you say.

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  4. Thus, the tag line of my blog: “There’s scientific evidence we don’t really exist.” It’s mind boggling, isn’t it? The closer we look, the more we discover that, to quote one of my favorite writers: “There’ s no there there.” If we could grasp, as you put it, that ” Is life and the physical world (as we assume) merely concentrated patterns of energy—like a dust devil in passing wind..” I think that would make us temporary creatures kinder and more compassionate living with the full realization we barely exist at all. Deep thoughts, Jim.

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    1. I find it amusing the people that have slowly trickled into my life as my thoughts were evolving to “spiritual atheism” as rawgod would say. Your tagline as well is an interesting discussion. I’m not done yet. I still have some things and habits to unlearn.

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  5. But Jim! We now know that “spooky action at a distance” is true! 😁 It’s called Quantum Entanglement. And we used something, well TWO somethings, called photons or light-particles. Apparently these DO actually exist, or they DO MATTER to use your wording Sir. 😉 😛

    But Jim, do NOT ask me to explain further! Why not? Because my other person thousands of light-years away will influence my explanations here on Earth!

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    1. It’s the relative mass of the object. If you are 99.9999 empty space, a solid object would only need to be fractionally dense, like 99.9998%, or even less, or in varied concentrations of the same elements.

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    1. I am quite aware of that theory. It is pretty compelling considering the composition of “things” are not really things at all, in the way we’re accustomed to. You?

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      1. I have a four-part documentary I downloaded some time ago — about 8 hours’ viewing in all, I think. I have it somewhere. One of these days I’ll get a round tuit.

        I’m a little bit familiar with quantum theory. Enough to know that the more closely we inspect this odd stuff called ‘matter’ the more we find empty space. It’s all very bizarre. And add ‘consciousness’ into the mix and it becomes totally perplexing. Fun to think about, though 🙂

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    1. I’m suggesting nothing. Enjoy the ride? There is no truth in the universe. It’s all moving, all changing, all fluid as you say, and to hold on to anything seems to be the futility of life. It’s funny too, that the things we see or align with the most permanency are those things that are the most dead. Traditional religion is so dead it doesn’t even know it’s dead.

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      1. Thought you might have been heading towards a Simulation hypothesis, which is tantalising given exactly what you’ve written above. Raises a godawful heap of additional questions, though.

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        1. Well, it’s seems like no matter what you decide it doesn’t matter. It all ends up in about the same place. If I had to pick one based on evidence? Panpsychism encompasses the whole show with the fewest contradictions. But really, based on what is known about matter vs spirit it now boils down to personal needs of the religious victim. There’s a good portion of the world that is needy, and another that hates the current and past ideas of god, whatever that is. But science? I prefer the older term, natural philosophy.

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            1. The universe is conscious, but it is not yet intelligent. The jury is still out on whether it is sentient.
              We assume we are conscious, we believe we are intelligent, and we think we are sentient.
              Life is perception. Life is spirit. Life matters.

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            2. Our brains are smarter than we are (we barely understand them at all) and yet to comprehend the whole consciousness would probably short circuit my Jim.

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            3. Yeah, the Jim-ego at least.
              This is what I have learned in this and past lives:
              Egos don’t care much about esoteric things, they want mainly food, sleep, sex, and mindlessness (the less we think, the better for the ego).
              The mind wants to understand, especially the who what when and how.
              The spirit/mind mix wants to know the why, while the spirit alone just takes things as they come. Experience eventually turns into wisdom.
              The cosmos is conscious, but like a baby is conscious–it is aware it has needs, but not how to satisfy them yet. But it hasn’t developed the skill of intelligence. Its spirit, though, fills it up, and yearns for something better, but it does not know what.

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            4. a sad, and totally false statement. if the universe is not intelligent, how does it function so beautifully and harmoniously? how is it that your body functions without you thinking about it at all??

              the universe is pure intelligence. it knows exactly what it is and what it does. if it is were not, you would not exist

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            5. Actually, Monica, I look at it exactly the opposite. It does not take intelligence for the cosmos to work the way it does, all it takes is trying all kinds of methods and processes, keeping the better ones and getting rid of the not so good ones.
              By beauty and harmony, I presume you are forgetting things like wildfires, tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanoes, epidemics, pandemics and climate change. And that is only on this earth.
              And then there are humans. There is very little beautiful and harmonious about human beings. We are the worst species in existence on earth.
              Who knows what kind of horrors may exist on other world.
              Meanwhile, the universe has no awareness of what it does. Are you aware of the molecules, atoms, and quantum particles of your body? Of course not. As Jim says above, sure we know they work, but we have no idea why, and neither does the universe. Nobody created it, it went Bang and things worked their way out on their own. And they are still doing that.
              Nothing in our cosmos is perfect, with intelligence being probably the most imperfect. It is intelligence that makes human be out of step with nature, changing something good into something bad. We are destroying our natural environment, poisoning the air so we can no longer breathe it, contaminating the water so it will soon no longer be able to support life.
              While there are beautiful things around us, harmonious things even, humanity is ravaging and sabotaging nature, and for what? Money. Money is one of the three worst inventions of humanity, along with god and government.
              Anyone who thinks they know what is best for everyone else around them is a power-hungry, arrogant, fool of a bully, and that includes religious authorities. And then there is Trump, who does not even know what is good for him, let alone anyone else.
              Sorry, but an intelligent universe is absolutely impossible at this point in the evolution of life. That is my experience.

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            6. Oh, and the only reason I am here is because a random sperm fertilized a random ovule. I was not planned physically, though I was kind of planned spiritually somewhere along the line before birth. The rest was up to me, nature, and nurture. Mostly me.
              I hope you don’t see this as me trying to be dominant, Monica, although it sounds like I am trying to be an authority. All this is just my understanding. I read your comments, and I respect most of them. But for you to tell me WHY I exist is beyond my understanding.

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            7. Why would you think that? We are all one, every living being, joined through the life inside us. That is what I mean by spirituality. Some may have lived more than others, but that does not make us different from each other. The life that is in us is the same as as in every one of us, virus, bacteria, plant, animal, whatever.
              I don’t know this One you speak of, being that you are a regular on Jim’s blog I took you to be an atheist, was I wrong? Not that it matters, it won’t change my idea of you.
              Who I am is someone who has spent a whole lifetime so far investigating how I fit into this universe, or cosmos as I prefer to call it. The universe we inhabit right now is four dimensional, length, breadth, height, and movement in time. I don’t pretend to know what dimention other universes inhabit, but they are there, all of them together being the cosmos. And how did I discover what this cosmos is? I looked inside myslf at the cosmos which is in me, and projected myself into the cosmos outside of me. I had help along the way, not from anyone else, well, there was one particular person who inadvertently started my quest, but he imparted to me only the idea that there is more than can be seen or perceived by the senses. So I looked, and I found life. Believe me or not, that is up to you. Maybe I’m just an insane old fool. I’m certainly not a son of some no-god who does not exist. I’m only me. And I part of the cosmos I inhabit. (The “I” not being the ego me, but the spiritual me, the one who lives.)
              Best I shut up before I convince you I am unsane.

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            8. Monica, do you realize you are personalizing the universe … much the same as believers personalize their god? When you do this, what is the difference between you and them?

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            9. I think you may be missing the point of the experience, particularly in Buddhism where, when you see the whole show (which is the pinnacle of the Buddhist meditation, you see it is all personal—It’s all you. All of it. This isn’t just Buddhism (although the most enduring) but shaman and accidental visionaries throughout history have see this—Even Crazy Horse) You’re it, Nan, and it is one. It’s a difficult concept to imagine, but when it is seen it is often followed by laughter. It’s a neat trick we play with ourselves, this experience that seems so real and tangible is nothing short of amazing when you realize there is no “stuff” anywhere, which is being confirmed by physics.

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            10. I’ve been following the conversation, Jim, and do understand what’s being discussed. But I based my question on what she wrote … not on the “theory of being” that’s being hashed out.

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            11. remember that nothing is outside. that is the illusion we all suffer from. multiplicity appears to be there, but truly, it is upheld by the same one spirit (or consciousness) which is undifferentiated.
              in observing, we always remain outside. in loving, we become that 😊

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            12. I think you missed a very important word in my original comment to Jim. “The universe is conscious, but it is not YET intelligent.” This means it is capable of becoming intelligent, but that it has not AT THIS POINT gained that status. It must learn enough “whatever it takes” to act intelligently.
              Humans are all born with the capability of intelligence. But take any feral child who had not gained intelligence when it was lost or taken. When they are returned to civilization they are not human, but animals working on instinct. They learned what their teachers taught them. Nobody taught them to think, or solve problems. They never knew they could think. The idea had to be given to them, and it came with spoken language, but not with the grunts and growls of their animal parents used for communication. Likewise, the universe has not yet become intelligent. Not because it is feral, but because it has no teachers. It is alone on its level of life, and took 15 billion years to even become conscious that it is truly alive. Fifteen billion years of running on instinct, gaining learning through evolution of life on our level of ability, and probably lower levels before us.
              I know you think I am talking out my ass, Monica, but I have spent 70 years thinking about this, gaining experience, and fitting pieces into the puzzle that is life.
              As I said, you are free to listen or not, to consider my words or not, that is all up to you. I’m just telling how I understand things, and why. But I am enjoying this discussion, albeit a very one-sided discussion. Every few years I need to do this, delve into my spirit to remind myself what is there. A totally spiritual life is very hard to live, there are so many ego and mind demands to detract one from their spirit. We exist in a material world, but we are capable of so much more. We can learn about spirit from others, but we can only learn spirit from inside ourselves.
              Peace be with you.

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            13. Great minds? Or fools? Doesn’t matter to me. Seems like certain discussions lead in certain directions, even without intention. I didn’t know feral children could not learn things after a certain age, but it kinda makes sense. I’ve never seen a follow-up on feral children years later.
              Good one, Jim.

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            14. could a non-intelligent universe give rise and sustain such complex life as we have on this earth? just because Trump and feral children exists, is no reflection on the universe. everything exists here. including geniuses like da Vinci and Einstein. also mystical greats like the buddha and jesus and yogananda.

              i look at nature, and see intelligence everywhere. everything knows what to do and how to do. every little flower has developed its own way to attract its pollinator. only people need to read books to learn how to be. happy and whole.
              why can’t we live peacefully and joyfully without creating questions and problems that are not there? enjoying each moment, accepting what comes, and letting go what goes? that is wholesome, natural living 🌻

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            15. Totally agree with you on living a natural life. I even hinted at that somewhere above when I said the spirit on its own just accepts things as they are.
              Unfortunately, we humans have these things called brains and minds, and egos. We have learned greed and power over such a long period of time that it seems almost natural (it is not!). On top of that, we are taught to be curious. Who, what, when, where, why, and how. Curiosity drives us. And because we were spiritual beings before we had minds and egos, we also want to know purpose.
              Not to be gender-biased, but I think women are more willing to just let life be than are men. Whether it is the maternal instinct, or something yet unknown, women have different needs, and different wants than men, in my experience. Some men strive to be calm and accepting like women, and some women strive to be inquisitive and obnoxious like men. So while some do just live, others need to explore, to experiment, to discover.
              I am an explorer. But not of physicality, I explore spirituality. I dedicated my life to discovering what life means to me over 50 years ago. I think
              I have been quite successful at my quest, though nowhere near absolute understanding, if such a thing is pissible.
              But you ask how things have managed to become so perfect in their workings without intelligence? You see perfection in nature. But just because something works fantastically well does not mean it cannot be improved upon. (Not improved by man, but improved by nature.) Nature is always looking for better ways to live. The process is called evoluton, which translates as trial and error, or even better, trial and success. What works better is retained and repeated, while what does not work as well slowly disappears. Intelligence is not needed, but consciousness is. Few people look at nature as conscious, yet that is the real key.
              I was reading the other day that mycellium is what connects all plants to each other, something animals do not have. Messages flow along the mycellium, picked up by other members of the species that sent it. I doubt we humans can converse with ourselves the way trees converse with trees, but what they are doing is trying to improve the chance of survival of the species. This is instinct, not intelligence. Humanity, which has intelligence, barely gives a shit about survival of the species. We take it for granted that there are so many of us nothing could ever kill all of us. That is ignorance, and social blindness. What we are going through right now with the covid-19 lockdown is intelligence, trying to protect as many as poĺssible. But how intelligent is it to protest lockdowns, to go out and congregate with others while the corona virus is still unconquerable. We are not immune, as a species. We are even more at risk because our children take so long to learn how to live on their own. If all the adults died today, how long would the children last? This is the opposite of intelligence, to put it nicely. Nice gets us nowhere!

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            16. That’s a good article. It’s probably about time to embrace all studies into one collaborative effort. It certainly couldn’t hurt as we’ve essentially discovered nothing about this the way we’ve been doing it.
              To add just a bit, the data stream and integrated information theory can be supported just by looking at the fact of how many creative artists, musicians, and writers predict future events when “in the zone”. There are thousands of examples of people unknowingly explaining future events in their creative moments.

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